Dan Barker says rape could be moral!

As a moral relativist, Barker cannot deny that rape is absolutely wrong. The Christian opponent spoke of Barker's debate with Peter Payne where Barker was asked, "You stated that there are no actions that are absolutely wrong (such as lying, etc.), that there is always an exception. When then is rape considered okay? What is the exception to this action?"

Barker answered with this:

"Here's a hypothetical. And I just said it's hypothetical. You know how some species like cats like to play with mice before they kill them? I mean, they have this weird thing about exaggerating the harm before they eat their meal. Suppose there was some advanced powerful species outside of our solar system that came to earth and it was like that. And it was torturing people. And raping women. We thought "How horrible, this is really bad!" And suppose this culture for the fun of it said, 'We're gonna kill the whole species. We're gonna kill all of you. We're gonna show how powerful we are.' We think, 'Boy, what an amoral group' right? We'd be afraid of them. But what if they said to you, 'Before we're gonna kill everybody off, we just wanna have more fun here, if you will rape a woman, then we will let the rest of the species go, okay? We'll just leave. If you'll just do that one thing, and let us watch, because we're sickos, right? Then we'll save the rest of the planet.' Now, I know that's not likely to happen but hypothetically something like that could happen. Nature is weird, right? In that weird case, which you and I would never see in our life time, you can make an argument - although it wouldn't be pleasant, and you wouldn't like it, and you would feel really bad about yourself, you would consider that to be the moral choice.'

You can here this in this audio clip: http://www.ffrf.org/about/bybarker/ethics_debate2.mp3

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[beksinski]

Thank goodness for the courage of Dan Barker.

[bibleapologetics]

Yes, he's brave enough to rape and molest children. I don't think that's a good thing. But, uh, yeah, that's courageous.

[thecenter26]

To answer you question, "What happens when a person exalts his free will over yours?"...well, the world we live in happens. Those of you who are trying to change the way things are by enacting laws and trying to control people are helplessly trying to take away the free will that God himself has given us. Even if I have read the parts of the bible where God has LIMITED himself, that doesn't mean that I am closed minded enough to believe everything that I read to be Gods gospel Truth.

[thecenter26]

I am saying that God allows us to exercise our free will. We can do anything we want. Yet, humans think that they should limit others ability to choose what they want to do by law. I have read most of the bible, and I have to say that it can't be Gods word. Sorry to burst your proverbial bubble.

[neonleonification]

@thecenter26 Apparently you haven't read the parts of the bible where God has LIMITED himself to his word. Sorry to burst your proverbial bubble, but there are some things God cannot do i.e. God cannot lie among a list of other things. If you really believe human's should just exercise their freewill then what happens when a person exalts his free will over yours, what happens when a person forces his free will into your home and steals and kills?

[thecenter26]

This isn't about defining morality, it is about exalting a system of beliefs. God has given us free will, so why not allow every human to exercise that free will just as God does?

[RandomNonsence]

for you theists this is a hypothetical situation. Some catholics really rape kids, so to say this and that about atheists based upon a hypothetical situation is ignorant. However, Dan Barker was totally wrong and forced himself into a morally wrong stance just to not agree . If those aliens said that to me, I would say, sorry you have the wrong person EVEN if that ment world destruction. Not even once to save billions. Murder in some cases is morally subjective, rape/pedophilia is not!

[VitalSigns1]

2 million girls to save 6 billion people? No fucking way. He should have stopped at 2,000. Rape is much more harmful than death.

[okpapereat]

Look the bottom line for me yes rape is nasty and sick but when you are able to save humanity i think its ok. Remember the gift of life is precious and you have to life life to to fullest extent i would be pretty pissed off if some aliens comes to blow up our planet. And remember just a touch is considered raped you dont have to go full on and that touch is pretty small compared to 6 billions peoples life at risk

[okpapereat]

to me i would if it was the only option to me thats moral to save everyone on earth, because if you think about it 1 person gets raped and then if you dont how many billions of people die because of you. but i dunno great philoshpical question.

[wokkitout]

i noticed that too. bibleapologetics should show the part when butt get's boo'd for trying to put words in dans mouth about abortion.

[wokkitout]

also, please watch some more of dan barkers speeches or debates. he's always the calmer person and never gives a smart ass remark. he seems like a good person, but people edit videos like this one because they have nothing else on him. barker (in my opinion), is probably one of the nicest "leading" atheist. butt got off easy.