Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson: Doctors

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[tlsimpson]

Tyson doesn't train doctors- he teaches physics which is a pre-med requirement. It is like saying a high school teacher trains doctors. Not all pre-med students become physicians. Physicians look at multiple data points - but a diagnosis is simply a hypothesis. I hear Tyson has a new gig on some tv channel- I think that is his passion

[tlsimpson]

My twitter name is terrysimpson.

Good place for this discussion

[pirbird14]

Medicine is not a science; it's an empiric practice. That's because it is unethical to experiment on humans. Doctors don't have the same experience with following lines of abstract reasoning that one finds in pure science.

Neil evidently knows very little about the philosophy and development of democracy. In the same speach, talking about teaching the Bible in classrooms, he said he doesn't think much about separation of church and state issues, and didn't think it was such an issue..

[tlsimpson]

Empiric science is defined as something that relies on experience and disregards basic science - while some physicians do this, it is not how they are taught. This would be more what homeopathic physcians do. WHen you say it is unethical to experiment on humans - that is not true - we do that daily - both in the practice of medicine, as well as we have protocols set up for human experimentation all the time.

[MarcoArsenault]

His anecdote wasn't the point, it's that people will believe god did something rather than a misdiagnosis, you jumped on a minor point, got offended and miss the whole point.

[DragOzze]

ne his point was that he is surprised people are more likely to believe in god intervention than a doctor making a mistake

[WarKoreanZombie]

Thumbs down didn't watch. Have a good day :).

[Mrmoc7]

@MarcoArsenault

The means does not justify the end. We know what his point was.  Condemning doctors to make it was a bit over-zealous.

[Yuri92001]

@MarcoArsenault "His anecdote wasn't the point, it's that people will believe god did something rather than a misdiagnosis, you jumped on a minor point, got offended and miss the whole point."

I completely agree. It usually happens when a a particular group is singled out for an anecdotal point...then someone from that group may think that it is ALL about them and foam at the mouth over this supposed slight of the establishment to which they are most likely a part of.

[chroniclerofthe70s]

@quagmire1032 True to a degree . I recall a drug company had a drug in which it was no longer selling so it made up a disease in order to sell the drug again. That disease was called " Restless Leg Syndrome. " The drug company placed nationwide adds prompting individuals to ask their doctors about their drug in order to treat their restless leg condition. This was clearly a scam. Yes, the U.S. spends ~ 16% GDP on sickness compensation payments instead of preventative healthcare.

[BandytaCzasu]

Don't put into peoples mouth words that they didn't say. Tyson didn't say that the doctors are idiots, just that their reputation in American society - that it must be God's intervention when 3 doctors are wrong - is overrated. I heard this lecture - nothing in it indicates that Tyson condemns all your community.