A simple video message explaining the danger of the current church growth madness that's sweeping America, AKA The Willow Creek Association method. If you suspect your church is 'up the creek' go t...
A simple video message explaining the danger of the current church growth madness that's sweeping America, AKA The Willow Creek Association method. If you suspect your church is 'up the creek' go to willow creek association website and go to find a church and you see if your church is listed. That's how i found out about my former church. Also search the willow creek assoc or pastor.com website and see if "your pastor's message" is there( they download and share sermons). They usually use the latest TV Show(i.e. "Extreme" this or that, "Desperate Housewives") or current movie to "relate" to their audience.
"..the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Tim 4:3)
I recommend reading John MacArthur's book: "Ashamed of the Gospel: When the Church Becomes like the World" and see if what he says is not true. My findings are not based on what others have told me about these movements. I was part of 2 seeker friendly churches and witnessed firsthand the problems. I've already read Warren's books the purpose driven church and purpose driven life and have read their teachings in the context..
We need Christians more than ever to be like the Bereans and search the scriptures!
For further study, I also recommend listening to, or reading the text of the sermons titled "The Gospel of Accomodation", "Falling Away to the Anti-Christ, and "Beware of the Wisdom of Men" preached by David Wilkerson and Carter Conlon. Each of these is available online for free. Try Greg Gordon's sermon index website. www.sermonindex.net
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I've often heard people say, "If these church growth tactics bring even one person to Christ, then they're worth it."
I strongly disagree; after all, Satan is a master tactician. I'm sure that he'd gladly let one person come to Christ if this means that a hundred more will be led astray.
Besides, that argument PRESUMES that these tactics do bring people to Christ. As you correctly pointed out, Willow Creek admits that they haven't worked well. Let's trust in God's ways instead.
I am sorry.. you are way off the mark here. It's clear that you do not know what you're talking about. Please go to the WIllow Creek Association. Take the high ground. Talk to Jim Mellado, who heads up the Association find out the facts from him.... and apologize for this slanderous video privately then PUBLICLY! I've talked to him and I know that the Willow Creek Association is NOT about building megachurches. Never has been. Huge mega-hearts for God and reaching others but not churches.
I was looking of the Leadership Summit that willow creek is hosting and I noticed most of the speakers are of the secular world. So the world is going to help your attendees learn how to lead the LORD's Church? Carter Conlon, Senior Pastor of Times Square Church addressed this very issue in his message titled "A Message for America and It's Cultural Religion".
Sounds like whoever made this video is a little insecure about the size of their church. Some people worship and connect better in a less crowded and not so overwhelming environment, while others are the complete opposite. Quit counting numbers and tend to your flocks and help the lost. Simple :-)
No one said they are all bad. The word of correction here is that it is wrong to form the church based on surveys and appeasing the flesh and desires of carnal man.
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I strongly disagree; after all, Satan is a master tactician. I'm sure that he'd gladly let one person come to Christ if this means that a hundred more will be led astray.
Besides, that argument PRESUMES that these tactics do bring people to Christ. As you correctly pointed out, Willow Creek admits that they haven't worked well. Let's trust in God's ways instead.
I've talked to him and I know that the Willow Creek Association is NOT about building megachurches. Never has been. Huge mega-hearts for God and reaching others but not churches.
In season and out of season.
Amen!!!
Some people worship and connect better in a less crowded and not so overwhelming environment, while others are the complete opposite. Quit counting numbers and tend to your flocks and help the lost. Simple :-)