Pt 2 - Sex-Provider, not Sex-Worker : Swedish Model vs. New Zealand Decriminalization

Should we allow a form of abuse to be described as a job of work?

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• Prostitution
• Feminism
• Paid-Sex
• Positive

[Professoranton]

A compelling analogy.  I've written a book _Sex, Ethics, and Communication_ that tries to deal with the broad territory of sexual ethics. So much of the meaning of sex is in its interpretation - and that's where the communication part comes in-including the communicating we do with each other here on line.

[mickGPN]

(1) I agree - it's all about interpretation. Eg, biting someone, which is normally very aggressive, could be a very affectionate thing to do in a sexual relationship. So, ultimately, outsiders can't know how two people are interpreting what is happening between them. But that only applies when it IS only happening between them My point on paid-sex is that the money means there is an outside influence too, so that's why it becomes appropriate for society to "have an attitude" about such an event

[mickGPN]

(2) For more detail, see my video - Money & Consenting Adults / Does your book deal with the sex-industry, or just consensual sex? Ultimately, I think the only thing unacceptable in sex is degradation... but then I'm also willing to accept that some people don't find being urinated on, for example, to be degrading So, ultimately, I am very much behind the idea that consenting adults in private can do anything they like - if there's no $ involved. Is that more or less your angle on sexual ethics?

[SayNOtoProstitution]

GREAT video & question! NO, prostitution/abuse should NOT be defined as "work"! Your analogies of "punch bag work" and African-American slavery are brilliant. No rational personal could disagree with the excellent arguments you make in this video. This whole 5 pt series is a MUST-WATCH for everyone, especially anyone interested in prostitution issues. Thanks for continuing to share your wisdom & insights. Your educational videos are much needed and are a very important contribution to the cause!

[mickGPN]

@SayNOtoProstitution - Thanks for that. And look out for parts 6, 7, 8, etc... :-)

[mickGPN]

@TheTitsillator - Arguing with the paid-sex-positives was actually quite useful. Mainly because it gave me ideas for my next video :-)

[mickGPN]

@YeOldeHeretic - I don't see how you can claim that a man who invades the most intimate aspects of a woman's body and psyche, so he can use her as an object, is not being abusive. And, given our essential disagreement on that point, I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible for us to have a meaningful discussion about the subject.

[YeOldeHeretic]

@mickGPN {3} (i forgot to mark 2 as 2)

I have personally been involved in helping those in prostitution leave. I have also helped current sex workers and those who wish to be sex workers, work safely, as well as navigate through the myriad of laws which seek to place us further in harm. (but you didn't ask me that, now did you ;) ~aymi

[YeOldeHeretic]

@mickGPN For those who want to leave, there should be real help. Currently, in places that have criminalization (or a version like Sweden), sex workers are all painted with the same brush, viewed as victims, or ill in some way, and needing mental help. Either we are all viewed as victims or vile. {CONT}

[YeOldeHeretic]

@mickGPN {1}You are free to call myself and my colleagues anything you like, & i have a right to reject your term, and also your assumption that all prostitution in and of its self is abuse. There is nothing inherently dangerous about the act of exchanging sex for money. Not everyone who sells sex is a victim and not everyone who buys sex is an abuser. This is the picture you are trying to paint. {CONT}