Great Jewish Revolt, The Siege of Masada 5/5

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סרט של ערוץ ההסטוריה: המרד הגדול - מצור על מצדה, חלק ה'.

האפיזודה המסיימת של המרד הגדול היא ללא ספק נפילת מצדה ב73 לספירה.

כת הסקריים שהתבצרה במתחם ביצעה התאבדות המונית בתום מצור בן השלוש שנים של הרומאים, בכדי לא להכנע לעבדות ועינויים. ספק אם ניתן לקחת דוגמא כלשהי מהמאבק האבוד שניהלו אנשי הכתות הקיצוניות עד האובדן המוחלט של ארץ יהודה ותושביה, אך ניתן ללמוד רבות על אשר קרה באותם הימים לאכלוסיה היהודית, ולוחמיה שלקחו חלק במרד נגד האימפריה הרומית.

זה היה המרד הראשון של היהודים, שפתח תקופת מאבק דמים של היהדות אל מול שליטתה בארץ של רומא האלילית, ואחריו המזרח התיכון עוד הזדעזע עמוקות ממלחמת קיטוס ומרד בר-כוכבא שהביא את המאבק לשיא. התוצאה הסופית של תקופה זו הייתה חורבן וגירוש, וחכמים נוטים להטיל את האשמה בכשלון המאבק במלחמת אחים במהלך המרד הגדול ובחטא היוהרה של בר-כוכבא.

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[gaiusscipio]

And the moral lesson left by the Romans "Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest"

[callmejesusfreak]

@Greyshark09 The Sicarii were fanatics, but they weren't any more murderous than our Navy SEALS. I'm a fanatic, too. Does that make me murderous?

Oh, and it wasn't suicide. The occupiers of Masada killed each other. Then Eleazar killed himself. Much preferable to being tortured, (probably) sodomized, and murdered by the Romans.

[Deadman1709]

@Greyshark09 The guy was sitting on his arse in Rome and he was a chronicler for the Roman (watched the first part). How the hell could 7 seven survivors go all the way from Israel to Rome to tell the guy.

Probably he heard stories from the Romans.commanders or troops. Then made the whole thing up.

[c0smicbyte]

@Deadman1709 Shot reply re "6 days": Dr. Gerals Schroeder, former MIT professor now teaching in Israel, explains this in his book, "The Science of God", and also in his YouTube video, "The Age of the Universe". A span of time if we consider here for a moment Einstein's theory of relativity, could be six days or fifteen billion years depending on how and where you are observing it.

[Greyshark09]

@Deadman1709

Rabbinic judaism (today the mainstream) discourages suicide, while Massada was taken by the murderous fanatic Sicarii. I see little similarities between Sicarii and what you know as Judaism today. Joseph was found to be most credible source (exaggeration?), while the speculations of archaeologists are doubtful in some cases.

[Deadman1709]

@Greyshark09 several things are pretty doubtful:

- Judaism discourage suicide.

- Is it possible that the survivors told an incorrect story? or Joseph report it incorrectly? Or full of speculations?

- Joseph has a history of exaggeration. As well as a lot of historians.

And as I said: anyone can write a book, and he can put anything into it. A few thousand years later, it can very well be the last surviving source.

[Greyshark09]

@Deadman1709

He is talking about the book by Joseph ben Matityahu.

There were 7 survivors in Masada siege, who escaped before the suicide and told the story to Joseph.

[Deadman1709]

@c0smicbyte Quote from Assassin's Creed: "Anyone could write a book, and he can put anything in it. I remembered there is a book that said the world was created in 6 days, and a best seller too".

Whoever the Jewish historian was, it is sure that:

- He was not at the siege.

- Certainly, if no Jews survived the siege, none could have told him the story.

- Romans ... surely won't talk to a Jew about a battle they fought.

So ... how "first hand" is this Jewish historian account ?

[c0smicbyte]

this comes across as a crappy matching of a credible first-hand historical account versus some modern speculations and opinions of unqualified "experts" debunking a "myth".