Treat from the debate between Hitchens and Wilson

From where the full debate is found at http://www.youtube.com/user/WestminsterOnline

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[vau0807]

Bros' & Sis', please be aware of the "Reasonable Faith" debate tactic brought to us courtesy of "Doctor" William Lane Craig and his book entitled "Reasonable Faith". Creationists have lost the biological, genetic, and paleontological arguments, so like rats fleeing a thresher they are looking for dark holes to hide in such as quantum physics, where open questions remain. "Reasonable faith" covers their retreat by relabeling "science" as "faith" in order to confuse the two and buy extra time.

[Moonteeth62]

At least Wilson puts his prejudice right out front. It doesn't do anything for his stance, but at least you KNOW you are talking to a wall right from the get go.

[AtheistRex]

@Moonteeth62 "At least Wilson puts his prejudice right out front."

To be fair, you have to admit WLC is pretty preachy too.

[vau0807]

@philosophizer149 Nice try, but you're still mistaken. I'm familiar with Craig's cosmological arguments, and they commit one elementary, amateurish fallacy: they merely assert that there is one thing that does not require a creator, and that thing is the creator itself. That argument merely defines god into existence; it is not sound. And, I figured this out on my own. For more articular refutations, check out ironchariots and search for "Cosmological Arguments'.

[philosophizer149]

@vau0807 well there isn't one single argument that proves that the Christian God exists, rather there are dozens of arguments that establish a cumulative case for the existence of the Christian God. Take for example the argument from contingency; watch?v=hsEvxew8YOs&feature=re­lated

[vau0807]

@philosophizer149 Then, please, share the argument that proves the existence of the god of abraham. Put up, or shut up.

[forrestschaeffer]

To say that faith in reason is the same as faith in the bible is ridiculous. I can't believe he even made that statement.

[philosophizer149]

@vau0807 Craig has presented arguments for Gods existence, therefore the atheists response cannot be simply "show me evidence or shut up" you need to give a response to the arguments and not just fling accusations of Christians retreating to cosmology.

[vau0807]

@philosophizer149 Your retort fell flat; leave wit to the witty, 'kay? As for the "atheist response", it relies on neither made-up bullshit masked as "cosmology" nor on quantum physics. In fact, the atheist response can be summed up as follows: demonstrate that your god exists, or we don't have anything to discuss.

[nynevergoingback]

Conclusion: NEVER buy Douglas Wilson's logic textbook.

[MRGV7373]

@HarrynJessie The power of the universe is not fully understood by any human but we can see it exist, estimate it size, know the obits of our planets. We can know a lot about something but not fully understand something. Humans do it all the time. So we can not fully understand God, but we can know right and wrong, truth and lies. Humans have some very clear understanding of God and what God wants for us. But humans have very little full understanding of God in total. Small amounts is all.

[HarrynJessie]

@philosophizer149 or that, for a further example, without God there is no basis for morality.