European Touring Car Champ. 1983 Nürburgring Nordschleife

Short review of ETCC 1983 season's race at the Grüne Hölle

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Autos & Vehicles

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• ETCC
• Touring
• Car
• Championship
• Race
• 1983
• Nürburgring
• Nordschleife

[marvinbenz]

hans stuck!!!!!!!!!!!!Arguably the best driver of all time

[asphaltgeil]

thx for this rare vid!

[Dax893]

Norbert Haug @ 8:56?

[wwws78]

I wish they could broadcast the VLN series and the 24h. race in english.

[RobJPSBandHM3]

Hey you two children arguing about Clark and Senna, do it somewhere else on a relevant page!!! Grow up and admit they were both some of the best of their times, both met with tragic "Motor racing" accidents regardless of discussing their talents, in Italy and Germany, but both serve to remind us that talent has limits to how often it will "save you" when you are on the limit week in and week out. This video is all about Hans, Manfred, Tom, Dieter and the gang!

[MrTautologist]

@Atheismrulez don't get me wrong, i see senna as the 2nd greatest, ergo, as a bloody genius, a veritable deity. however, when being pedantic, as i apologised for in the first place, clarke was equally as exceptionally rapid, as transcendingly dominant, but also had that slight edge of sense, which meant he made fewer errors of judgement. i don't know,maybe that was merely a product of racing at a time when if you raced for 5 years, at that level, you stood a 3 in 5 chance of being killed.

[MrTautologist]

@Atheismrulez except when his single mindedness led to him crashing, when someone with the same raw pace, yet a shade more guile, may have won. monaco '88, senna miles, literally, clear of prost, basically guaranteed victory, so eased off a shade. prost, gained a big chunk on one lap, senna replied by setting 2 fastest laps, pushing hard on the next he lost concentration and crashed out. if he'd merely upped his pace a bit, he'd have won. one instance of him being somewhat less than excellent.

[Atheismrulez]

@MrTautologist

No, it's not. Unlike the others, Senna did anything he could to get 1st, even if it meant putting himself at risk. You could say he's the ultimate driver. The only thing he focused was on winning races and he was a lot more competitive and aggressive than the other two drivers. There was not one situation in a car where Senna was nothing less than "excellent".

[MrTautologist]

@Atheismrulez to say that comparing them is "pretty ridiculous", is in itself ridiculous. there are 3 drivers who are generally considered the greatest of all time, fangio, clarke and senna(some people consider schumacher a 4th). quite frankly, to pick between them is churlish, they were all obscenely talented, all had the raw speed, and are all considered by their peers to have been demonstrably better than everyone else. but of the 3, as an f1 driver, clarke and fangio had the fewer faults.

[MrTautologist]

@Atheismrulez oh dear. if that's your thinking on the matter you clearly don't know anything about clarke, let alone the regard with which he was held in by his peers. incidentally, to a man, they revered him. obviously comparing generations is fraught with practical difficulties, particularly that as time progresses those who witnessed past greatness, well, die, to put it bluntly, and their qualities get over shadowed by events from more recent, more readily remember-able by the masses, times.

[Atheismrulez]

@MrTautologist

Aryton Senna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim Clarke. To compare any other racing driver to Aryton Senna is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.

Just because he was competitive in various motorsports doesn't mean he's a better driver. He may have been competitive in all of them, but not even close to how much Aryton Senna was in Formula One.

[MrTautologist]

@Atheismrulez sorry for being pedantic, but so's your's - jim clarke.