《 関ヶ原の戦い, Sekigahara 1600, 開戦 》
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@1KoreanEmpire And you a fucking idiot just for calling me a noob, Moron. I know you're a troll but you are still a dumb fuck.
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@tornados28 U are a bloody noob, no asians luv the japanese, only ignorant westerners luv samurai blah blah, japanese history are barbarians, pirates, invaders, and which asians luv them? chinese hate them, koreans hate them, filipinos hate them, americans their co called allies USA orders them around japanese culture are mostly copied from korea china mongolia mainland asia
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@tornados28 The second campaign was a lackluster campaign that the Japanese daimyo did not support. They only reluctantly participated due to Hideyoshi's power. And remember, the most powerful Japanese forces, those of Tokugawa Ieyasu's armies, did not participate in the Imjin War at all.
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@071590z I have researched the naval campaigns. I have read Swope, Hawley and even the somewhat flawed Turnbull. I have also researched on Samurai Archives which is actually a good and unbiased source on the web.
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@071590z I understand your point but when the naval battles began to affect the war does not matter in regards to when the Ming invaded. The fact is the naval superiority of the Korean navy had a very large impact that had nothing to do with the Ming. Yes the Japanese were pushed back but I think that was more to do with extremely stretched supply lines and less to do with the Ming. The fact is the Japanese raced ahead of their supply lines and that was a huge mistake.
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@tornados28 1. All I can said is the Korean navy did defeated the Japanese Navy
2. But naval battles did not affect the overall tide of war until the Ming army attacked and join the war.
3, From that onwards, Japan has been pushed from Imjin River back to Pyongyang and then to Seoul.
4. Please research Yi Soon Shin naval campaigns first
5. The second campaign which lasted from 1597 to 1598 was not Korean naval success, it was trapped on Korea's southern coastline by 100 thousand Ming soldiers
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@tornados28 Kenneth Swope's book on the war in my opinion is biased toward the Ming and how effective they were. As I said above, yes the Ming put some serious hurt on the Japanese, but Swope like others inflates the effectiveness of the Ming army. Samuel Hawley's book on the Imjin War in my opinion is the most thorough and unbiased book on the subject in English. He explains the difficulty the Ming had and how much effect the Korean Navy had which WAS substantial.
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@tornados28 I do believe that eventually the Japanese would have been worn down and have left without the Ming intervention, but of course that's impossible to say. Without command of the sea and an effective navy, it's tough to maintain a presence in a foreign land across a large body of water-just like the Mongols, Chinese, and Koreans found out three centuries before when the shoe was on the other foot and the Mongol Invasion of Japan failed.
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@071590z I'm not saying the Ming didn't have impact on the war-just that they weren't the overriding, sole reason the Japanese were defeated like some would have one believe. I do think the Ming presence and troops prevented a lot of bloodshed that would otherwise have taken place in a drawn out, years long guerrilla war between the Japanese and Koreans (even more bloodshed than actually took place between the three countries).
@tornados28 1. You shouldn't say I am biased towards Ming, You should try and refute my points
2. Historical debates should be based on evidence and facts not biasness
3, You accuse me of bias towards Ming? I am not a descendant from Ming and I am from Singapore National University of Singapore (NUS)
4. Which university are you from? Before you accuse people of anything, please refute my points and then stop personal attacks
5. And also do your research properly before you come to Internet
071590z 1 month ago 4
@tornados28 1. Who retook Pyongyang? Who retook Seoul? It was the Ming
2. Korean naval victories are insignificant because they are quite small and only concentrated on small encounters, Yi Soon Shin has to carefully plan so that he will not be overwhelmed by the larger Japanese navy
3. The Japanese fought the Koreans and hold their ground BUT when they saw Ming soldeirs, they fled
4. Japanese defeat of Ming soldiers are mostly in the sieges where the Japanese position cannons and early guns
071590z 1 month ago 4