@TheComradeRoss oh yeah if Trotsky succeeded Lenin? Yeah, he would have been the better successor. But always "what if" about Lenin... :( he died way too early.
@AminorArpeggio I agree, If Trotsky was to be the new leader of the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics then i think that Socialism would still be here on a wide scale. Stalin Destroyed Socialism in the Soviet Union.
@MarxistHero It does not exist naturally. Humanity produced one man to create it, named Karl Marx, and then there were those who were inspired by him.
What does exist naturally is its decline and its problems.
@aaammmhg What happens when people start depending 90% on the government for everything, and when things get more expensive, prices cuts for the people happen, people get less money and rioting like in Britain happens? I prefer the ability to make my own business if I want and not pay 85% taxes...
@GishabrunLOB I didn't say that at all. I said people want to enjoy the fruits of their labor--if I want to work hard and make $150,000 a year, it doesn't mean I want to make $150,000 and keep it all to myself. Under the Soviet Union doctors earned one of the lowest salaries, but they still did it--because some people enjoy helping others. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make more money. If true communism is the best for the people, then why has it never been created by the people?
So you're saying that everyone wants to keep their stuff and not share anything? Maybe that describes you. Also, how can communism result in fascism if in communism there is no government? Communsim and Fascism are exact opposites. Just because you hate them both doesn't mean that they are the same. It's like me saying that America is Fascist just because I hate both.
@GishabrunLOB We have civilization to guarantee rights and security amongst all people. People are willing to concede a little of their own to pay for the police, fire departments, roads, community services, et cetera.
People in general are not willing to concede to the government what they've worked hard for so someone else can prosper on their behalf. Working together for common goals isn't what communism represents; communism always results in fascism.
@201003616W No it doesn't, it just highlights that putting all your resources into bombs and death machines will lead to failure.
michaelwuzthere 2 months ago
@TheComradeRoss oh yeah if Trotsky succeeded Lenin? Yeah, he would have been the better successor. But always "what if" about Lenin... :( he died way too early.
AminorArpeggio 2 months ago 2
@AminorArpeggio I agree, If Trotsky was to be the new leader of the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics then i think that Socialism would still be here on a wide scale. Stalin Destroyed Socialism in the Soviet Union.
TheComradeRoss 2 months ago
the failure of socialism really highlights the selfish individualistic nature of people, which a capitalistic system can fully exploit and maximize,
201003616W 2 months ago
@MarxistHero It does not exist naturally. Humanity produced one man to create it, named Karl Marx, and then there were those who were inspired by him.
What does exist naturally is its decline and its problems.
thegreatcheesedemon 2 months ago
@aaammmhg What happens when people start depending 90% on the government for everything, and when things get more expensive, prices cuts for the people happen, people get less money and rioting like in Britain happens? I prefer the ability to make my own business if I want and not pay 85% taxes...
MetalSights 4 months ago
@GishabrunLOB I didn't say that at all. I said people want to enjoy the fruits of their labor--if I want to work hard and make $150,000 a year, it doesn't mean I want to make $150,000 and keep it all to myself. Under the Soviet Union doctors earned one of the lowest salaries, but they still did it--because some people enjoy helping others. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make more money. If true communism is the best for the people, then why has it never been created by the people?
ZachJank 4 months ago
@ZachJank Lolwut
So you're saying that everyone wants to keep their stuff and not share anything? Maybe that describes you. Also, how can communism result in fascism if in communism there is no government? Communsim and Fascism are exact opposites. Just because you hate them both doesn't mean that they are the same. It's like me saying that America is Fascist just because I hate both.
GishabrunLOB 4 months ago
@GishabrunLOB We have civilization to guarantee rights and security amongst all people. People are willing to concede a little of their own to pay for the police, fire departments, roads, community services, et cetera.
People in general are not willing to concede to the government what they've worked hard for so someone else can prosper on their behalf. Working together for common goals isn't what communism represents; communism always results in fascism.
ZachJank 4 months ago
@ZachJank The principles of human nature are to work together - is that not why we have civilization?
GishabrunLOB 4 months ago