Al Mohler at Southern Seminary(SBTS) says Pagans Glorify God
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Andrew,
You seriously need to repent friend. In every sing last one of your videos you serious take people of out context, and then draw a conclusion that they never made. This is called 'bearing false witness.'
3 years ago 10
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Mohler never said the phrase on this video that "unbelieving gentiles WORSHIP God without even realizing it." You have twisted his words.
3 years ago 6
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You need to read the first part of Romans Chapter 2.
"14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them"
What Mohler said is Biblical. Read the WHOLE Bible, and don't take things out of context.
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I just wanted to add, that I am thankful for people like you who are "watching" and discussing and warning. Sometimes, though, it can become a bit of a witch hunt-just be careful when doing this. I know of many who began "watching ministries" which have ended up becoming even worse off than those they criticize. [arrogant, foolish, unloving, etc.] ps. are you a Calvinist? if so-why?]
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I don't believe he was saying that pagans "worship" God when they do something [right] according to their conscience, but in their [right] doing, God's glory is evident.
God has certainly put His law into every conscience of every man, but because we all sin against His law [that is written onto our hearts] we need Christ. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and need a Savior, but that does not mean that we have not known right from wrong.
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He doesn't say they worship and glorify God.
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"Christianity:
...the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree..." MAKES PERFECT SENSE !!!!!
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Romans 1 is what Mohler is talking about. Nothing an unbeliever does saves them. Mohler would not say that.
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Every time I stumble upon your videos, I'm reminded that "A fool is known by His many words"
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doing absolutely nothing as a human saved unsaved sinful pagan hindu whatever you bring GLORY to God because you were created in his image! thats is the most glorious thing in all creation you were created for his glory reguardless of your position in life
worship and Gloryfying God are two isolated but interlinked concepts you can glorify god without worshiping him just because you are human!
even though you spend far more time ripping people apart than worshiping you still bring glory to God
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worshipping and bringing God Glory are two totally different things,...
we worship Him as christians, who love jesus and live our lives Repentantly,
we bring GLORY to God, even when NOT worshipping Him because his fairness in sending us to Hell for our sins is accomplished
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Okay, I'm going to say that worshiping God is certainly glorifying to him. But, the glory of God is certainly not limited to acts of worship towards him.
I believe that people suffering in hell will glorify God, because it shows his justice that sinners are punished. That certainly isn't worshiping God.
Unbelievers following the rules of nature has nothing to do with worship, but it still glorifies God. The birth of a child glorifies God by showing the miracle of birth, which God created.
kraigory 3 years ago
"I believe that people suffering in **will glorify God, because it shows his justice that sinners are punished. That certainly isn't worshiping God."
Exactly. God is NOT glorified by the works of unbelievers. God IS glorified by the destruction of the wicked. Pagan marriages are an ABOMINATION to God as Hebrews 11:6 says. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Why does Mohler say pagan marriages "glorify God". They do not. Their marriages are "consecrated" in unbeleif.
AndrewcBain 3 years ago
unbelief.
Mohler is either ignorant or stupid. Pagan marriages are done out of worship for FALSE GODS, not Jehovah.
Muslims marry out of worship to their moon-god allah. Hindus marry to glorify their sick sub-human deities, etc.
God is not glorified by this. Rom 1:21 says pagans refused to worship/honor God. It does NOT say they were subtlety or accidentally worshiping God.
Indeed, the pagans sacrificed to DEMONS, not God (1 Cor 10:21).
AndrewcBain 3 years ago
Another question is...
Why does Mohler say that pagans "obey" God? He says, "By their obedience to a Law that God has written in nature itself, they testify of nature's God, of the Creator himself."
I suppose Mohler would read Rom 11:30 as, "For as you then also obeyed[?] God, but now have obtained mercy". When it really says, "30 For as you then also disobeyed God, but now have obtained mercy."
AndrewcBain 3 years ago