Debate: Does God Exist? # 2

Matt Slick (president of http://carm.org) debates Edwin Kagin (2005 Atheist of the year) in Pensecola, FL in April, 2008. Can the atheist worldview account for rationality/logic? No. The Christian worldview can; therefore, atheism cannot be true.

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[EddTheBiker]

@ShadowSaberBaroxio In response to your point B): You are contradicting yourself. Explain how your statement is not absolute. Additionally, explain how you made that conclusion.

In response to point C): God is transcendent, immutable, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. God doesn't need creating.

[vladbcom]

@godswordsheal well why would you expect them to change? It's is faith lunatics that need to contort and bend out of shape in futile attempt to validate their set of faith-based believes that by definition have no grounding in real world evidence. Atheists have nothing to apologize for unlike the christian apologetic nuts. Besides, let me break it to you, you are just as much an atheist as I am as we both do not for a second believe in the existence of 100s of other deities (Zeus and such).

[JimmyGunXD556]

"a word game"?" Evidence is not a word game. To believe in something invisible and make it a movement can only be a word game, phychological warfare. If one person sees something nobody sees it called delusion, if everyone sees it its called religion. A lie is a lie if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth if nobody believes it. I never met jesus. Nor did he write the bibles. Jesus could have been just a cult leader.

[dumbzebra]

Okay I hate to go with the ever same evolutionary explanation, but I think it works:

Logic is a process in the mind, that helps us to live in a world with physical absolutes. We can conclude Y because of X. This way of thinking is not the only way of thinking. We can explain X with myths, with stories. But that approach will not necessarily help us survive as it only satisfies our desire to know "why", it does not explain "why".

[ShadowSaberBaroxio]

So, because logic exists and you believe it must be absolute and transendent, there must be some absolute and transcendent "mind" that you believe is called God.

A.) So what? What does this have to do with Christianity, with the veracity of the Bible, with whether or not we should worship said conciousness?

B.) There are no such things as absolutes. Making assertions about whatever you say logic is does not prove anything.

C.) Creation requires a Creator, applies to the Creator as well.

[godswordsheal]

How come the atheist didn't use the microphone? Does he not believe in it?

Plus I didn't expect him to bring out the "I believe in one less God than you" argument. I guess the atheist arguments haven't changed much, and I suppose atheists haven't changed much.

No offense intended just a hypothesis based on this and the multitude of videos on Youtube by atheists.

[normmccabe]

@godswordsheal believe what you want, I like proof.

[godswordsheal]

@normmccabe If something always existed as we believe God to be then, this argument is irrelevant.

[normmccabe]

"It's logically true that something cannot bring itself into existence." Then how did god come to be?