Re: Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition Review

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[azirk83]

This guy makes me feel bad about being an old school gamer. I didn't even think that was possible.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

@azirk83 Why? Because I gave my opinion? It's not like I spewed out a bunch of vulgarity like I did on my other videos. Hmm. Perhaps that's where I went wrong. I am glad that I single-handedly made you feel bad about something you loved and cherished. Kudos to me and my powers of evil genius!

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

...and still no verification on the consumption of guinness... 628 views from one angry troll that doesn't like my opinion. Funny, as if you all notice, the person that this video was in response to, noobdragon (I think) posted a nice comment back to me at the very end (or beginning, if you will). Man, O man! I wish I could run a 2E Dark Sun of PlaneScape game for the nay-sayers... you'd be burning your 4E books by session #3 and buying ME Guinness. Alas, I am gluten-free.

[phaedruslive]

AD&D is and always will be the truest classic pnp rpg. 4th edition is a fun game if your treating it like a casual hack and slash like you said, but to call it dungeons and dragons is an insult to every genuine roleplayer out there.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

@phaedruslive Word, homey. I stand behind your paragraph 100%

[RumekRavager]

Nice use of Dogmatic fallacy. You actually can play 4e without a board, I've done it personally. If you can't, that's not the systems fault ;)

Honestly though, even though i don't use game boards all the time, I actually prefer them for most RPGs. I currently run a 2e game, and find the use of a board very helpful in larger combats. Once again, I don't always use the board, but find it benefits the game at times.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

@RumekRavager i'm not sure that counts as dogmatic fallacy, as much as an argument over the term 'miniature.' Indeed, you CAN play without miniatures... but you must use some sort of movement representative, i.e., a coin, a game stone, a milk dud, etc. I find it hard to believe that you ran a 4th Edition game without a mat and markers of a kind. Must not have had any Bards or Eladrin? No one shifted in the dungeon? Everyone took the DM's word for it without arguing? If so, kudos to you, sir.

[MalibuFilmsWT]

I suppose a mention of "any D&D is good D&D" would just get drowned out in the flood of thirty-somethings pissing in each others cereal over which is the best way to pretend to be an goddamned elf.

I prefer 2E myself, but will happily run or play any version. Maybe I should turn in my internerd card.

[Grimlock64]

If a game is lacking the role playing aspect, that's not the game's fault, it's the GAMER'S fault. You don't need rules for role playing, you just do it.

[joqqeman]

I personally hated playing the 4th edition, but I slightly disagree with the "not everybodys equal" idea. I agree that in combat, of course, every class shouldn't be "equal" as in "everyone has pretty much the same abilities" but I would like the classes to be "equal" so that the gaming system adequately rewards all classes. It seems to be a lot harder to make playing a bard worthwhile, though of course this is mostly up to the DM. I wish they had tweaked instead of revolutionised. Flashy crap.

[Langsorigingaleia]

I have been aiming to check out the earlier editions of D&D but I don't know if investing myself will be worth it, especially considering how painfully pretentious all of its players seem to be. >:|

Suddenly 2nd edition were so sacred even though it were picked up by teenage boys apathetic to their future and social lives, and now that they are adults working at the grocery store they are accusing 4th edition to be picked up by teenagers who are... just wow.

[KhagarBalugrak]

I agree, 2nd edition was the very best. As soon as TSR was bought by WOTC, the quality of D&D started to rapidly deteriorate. WOTC designs games for ritalin-addicted, ADD-riddled American teenage boys who lack imagination or any kind of exposure to any sort of culture or intelligent thought. By trying to reach the widest possible audience, WOTC has created a product - 4th edition - which is so watered-down and rigid that it appeals only to stupid people.

[rockheimr]

@Grimlock64 If (minis) combat so completely dominates the focus of an rpg and the time spent playing it, as is the case with 4e, then it's no surprise to me that people see that as not encouraging roleplaying. You can roleplay monopoly - probably - but the game's rules do not encourage it, same's true (in a lesser way) with 4e.

[guinness13]

... I marvel at your worship of 2ed/1ed. They were some of the worst put-together games ever. 1ed especially was just a meandering horribly edited rulesset. It was near impossible to find the rules you actually wanted to look up unless you memorized the book, at which point you hardly need to look up the rules in the first place. I played 1ed and 2ed, and while I had fun playing with my friends, I hated every second of interaction with the confusing, contradictory, messed up system.

[guinness13]

@TheInvisibleSkyDaddy Yes I have, and yes I read those books. Doesn't mean the 4ed DMG doesn't deserve its place along with them. It's seriously well written. I'd say that something that is the "most played" is worth serious consideration as one of the best, because the point of an RPG is - duh - to have people playing it. An RPG that noone plays (like a lot of indie games) could be like unto the written word of Jesus Buddha, but if noone plays it, it's not much of a game.

[azirk83]

@TheInvisibleSkyDaddy Your ignorance and willingness to put down others' favorite games is what saddens me (well, it did 5 months ago when I posted the comment). I could give a shit less of your opinion of 4E, but posting a "no it sucks" response to a positive review is pretty douchebaggy. 

And "more douchebags" is not what the old school fanbase needs.

[Creslin321]

The more opinions I read about 4e the more I realize that they are just opinions. When I first read the 4e PHB I HATED it with a passion. But then I realized that my hate was just rooted in the fact that it felt so different from my beloved 3E.

The lack of normal "spells" pissed me off, no multiclassing pissed me off...etc etc

But after I spent some more time with it, I'm starting to really like 4E. It's totally different, but I think it's a solid game.

[CommissarMudkip]

4e owns. Any other edition is for wizard fanboys trying to get revenge at the jocks who picked on them in school by playing the 'nerd' class. Fighters 4 life.  4e 4 life.