Garden of Eden part 1

As allegory the Garden of Eden shows how error entered the religious world; whereas taken literally we can say, "the devil made me do it."

Be sure to watch part 2 which deals with the fields bringing forth thorns and relates it to Paul's thorn in the flesh. This supports the allegorical interpretation of the Garden of Eden.

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[Stocktrader561]

That's amazing. Yeah I was reading a couple days ago about Mary, Martha and Lazarus and I couldn't help but think there was a hidden message in there and I thought about you. What do you make of the stories invoving them especially the death and resurrection of Lazarus.

[houseofjustin]

@Stocktrader561 I believe the Lazurus that Jesus raised is the same as the Lazurus that was in Abraham's bosom in Luke 16. He was full of sores, which sounds much like Job. Also, the name Lazurus is a form of Elazar of the Old Testament. I have a hunch that they are related. Elazar was Aaron's third son through Elisheba. The meanings of all of these names, including Aaron's other sons are meaningful to me.

I think it is better to understand the Lazarus of Luke 19 first, and maybe Job.

[houseofjustin]

@houseofjustin The rich man is in hell. Hell is a place of torment as you see your riches (the things you have come to believe) consumed by the fire that purifies what is good and consumes what is bad. It seems Lazarus must be the opposite, one who wants to believe something. It seems begging would represent seeking. He ends up finding (in Abraham's bosom). There is a chasm between the one who believes everything and the one who has found truth. Neither can get to where the other is.

[houseofjustin]

@houseofjustin Now if the other Lazarus is really the same one, the one who was sick, died, and was resurrected would be the seeker who was covered with sores and ended up finding. Actually, he isn't one, as an individual. Think of him as representing those who seek and find. I'm thinking that the sores are the individuals who are finding pieces of truth, or something to that effect (I have reason to think that). The seekers die to anything they believed and are resurrected into Truth.

[Stocktrader561]

Yeah I know what you mean. I read that you believe that the New Testament is allegorical as well. Can you give me an example of one.

[houseofjustin]

@Stocktrader561 Here is an example of one that can make sense half literal and half figurative. At the well with the Samaritan woman the disciples left and went to town for some meat. When they came back Jesus said that he had meat that they knew not of. Jesus' meat is clearly figurative.

Think of the well as a church. The disciples left to listen to the message at a different church. They came back to tell of what they heard. Jesus said that he had a message they never heard before.

[houseofjustin]

@houseofjustin Think of Peter's ship being his church. Jesus first teaches from the shallow water which would mean that there aren't too many people. This is probably on a Wednesday night study when most people are home. If there are too many people his message will cause confusion, so it is better with a small group. Then when that group understands it is time to teach on Sunday, or some revival meeting. Others may now listen because of those who understand. Now the ships are filled.

[houseofjustin]

@Stocktrader561 I mentioned in my first comment with PJ that I see even the main things like the virgin birth, crucifixion, and resurrection. They all make sense figuratively, the question is whether they were also literal. Also any of the sorries and of course the parables and miracles.

An example is when Jesus got in Peter's ship and taught the people. He told them to shove off a little from shore. The water is people with a message. He taught first where there wasn't too much people. (cont)

[houseofjustin]

@Stocktrader561 I wouldn't have seen these things without first seeing many other things. Once you see something, the things that used to make sense don't make sense anymore. Then more things can make sense that didn't make sense before.

[Stocktrader561]

I see what you mean and I see how you got there but how it all came together in your mind is your gift from God. 1 Corinthians 12