Jesus & Caesar - John Dominic Crossan

"Why did we call Jesus 'lord'? In the Roman world, Caesar was lord, so if you call Jesus lord, Caesar ain't, and it becomes high treason. What was the alternative vision for the world that Jesus and Paul had, and why did it get them killed?"
In MATTHEW AND EMPIRE, New Testament professor Warren Carter examines the political claims and visions of social organization found in the Gospel of Matthew, which he describes as "a theological challenge to Rome's imperial propaganda." Biblical studies professor Neil Elliott interprets Paul's Letter to the Romans "in the shadow of empire" in a book entitled THE ARROGANCE OF NATIONS, and he makes a case for "the counter-imperial aspects" of Paul's rhetoric. In THE POWER OF THE WORD: SCRIPTURE AND THE RHETORIC OF EMPIRE, feminist scholar Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza calls for an effort to "deconstruct the language of imperial domination in which scriptural texts remain caught up."
John Dominic Crossan was originally drawn to the priesthood because "God had the most interesting game in town".

Controversial scholar and former priest John Dominic Crossan has never shied away from uncomfortable questions of faith.

JOHN Dominic Crossan may be one of the world's leading New Testament scholars but he doesn't hide behind academic language. The man who shocked Christians by claiming that -- rather than being resurrected -- the body of Jesus was probably devoured by dogs and scavengers was still entertainingly uncompromising delivering a series of lectures to packed Melbourne audiences of mostly progressive Christians.

Think, for a moment, about the first-century world of Jesus...
Religion scholar John Dominic Crossan, in GOD AND EMPIRE, a study of the early Christian movement as well as empire, posits a broader understanding of empire than most and contrasts it with his understanding of the kingdom of God as championed by Jesus and Paul. But the biblical witness and historical development of the church don't always make that easy. "How is it possible to be a faithful Christian in an American Empire facilitated by a violent Christian Bible?" he asks. The answer, he says, is in the radical nonviolence of God's justice.

For Crossan, empire and civilization are essentially equivalent. Civilization itself, he writes, "has always been imperial -- that is, empire is the normalcy of civilization's violence." America and the Rome of Jesus and Paul are not that different from one another. "As the greatest pre-industrial and territorial empire -- just as we are the greatest post-industrial and commercial empire -- Rome was the expression, no more and no less, of the normalcy of civilization's violence, first-century style." Violence is the defining characteristic of civilization and thus of empire.

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[ninjamojo711]

@ImperatorAquila Yes, I agree, and if you read Joseph Atwill's theory, there is compelling evidence that this Caesar/Jesus connection continued. He shows various parallels between the stories of the gospels and the triumphs of Vespasian and his son Titus.

[EdM021]

@ImperatorAquila Not only that, but The Passion and The Crucifixion were transposed from the assasination, wake, reading of the will and funeral of Julius Caesar. Once one realises this, the inexplicable and sometimes downright ludicrous chain of events all make perfect sense.

[ImperatorAquila]

Crossan and his usual spiel. But he is so close. He only needs to take that last step, which, however, is a quantum leap: the historical person behind the Gospel figure "Jesus" was Julius Caesar. Otherwise nothing makes any real sense. And to say that the Romans only defined salvation and peace through victory is false. The aspect of love and forgiveness incl. love-thy-enemy was Caesarian, and the aspect of justice was especially Augustan. Etc. Carotta already has the answer.

[thone2008]

Paul = Flavius Josephus Arrius Piso

[airforcemax]

I will be who I am and progress to learn ways to accept, tolerate, and coexist from all walks of life. To ensure my goals, I have studied Ethics and will continue to keep up to date. Not everyone will accept me for who and what I am as I have met people like them since my childhood.