Too many discrepancies for this depiction of events to be believable. Sounds more like american propaganda then history with an obviously limited point of view.
@martynrobin121 The stench of hypocricy exuded by Europeans and Asians when speaking about American history stinks to high heaven. You people had better pay more attention to your own history and the atrocities you have perpetrated throughout history (and they are legion for those of us who have studied it). Mate (as you like to say) you have no right to point fingers.
Since most deaths occurred by disease, you would have the same,results if the Nina, Pina, and Santa Maria were crewed by Jimmy Carter, Bono, and the Dalai Lama. Most indians were lost to intermarriage, so with300 million americans a mere 2 percent indian ancestry would give 6 million descended from the 1.2million pre-columbian native population. That is growth, not genocide, even discounting the 2.5 million members of various US tribes alive today.
@martynrobin121 Seeing something as savage is hardly genocide. Natives continued self ruling, and signed treaties as self ruling entities. Disease kills, due to its nature. only evidence of intent was from British officers. By contrast, US intent was to protect from disease by vaccination, and before that by inoculation. Natives also used torture. Scalping had been taught and compensated by British. US treaties protected and defined native rights, even against US citizens.
@martynrobin121 You have to be alive to be killed. We just don't know how many Indians were in the US at the time of Independence. Indians such as Cherokee signed treaties, some Cherokee didn't leave and stayed, and their descendants survive to the present day. We know of much intermarriage, much trade, and Indian tribes acting as self governing nations to the present day, despite the Cherokee allying to the confederacy. That isn't genocide.
@DonMeaker How can you deny the mass genocide? Honestly mate, Just take alook what happend after the US-Revoltuion, The Natives lost their Freedom and enslaved into occupation & death, Known as savage Indians. Look at the Treaties? They were ilegal taking advantage of REAL American People.
Their lands,riches were taken by force, Removed into death/occupation. Natives who refused to leave their lands, Where hunted down & killed. Just take alook what happend?Immigrants vs Native
@martynrobin121 But it wasn't genocide. Most deaths were from disease, which occurred before the US was independent. Tribes were removed in return for compensation as stated in various treaties. Even after treaty removal, natives remained. Rather than be treated as animals, we dealt with them as fellow humans, subject to the same diseases, same desires, and same desire for self government. Much intermarriage occurred.
Too many discrepancies for this depiction of events to be believable. Sounds more like american propaganda then history with an obviously limited point of view.
fast4less 1 week ago
@martynrobin121 The stench of hypocricy exuded by Europeans and Asians when speaking about American history stinks to high heaven. You people had better pay more attention to your own history and the atrocities you have perpetrated throughout history (and they are legion for those of us who have studied it). Mate (as you like to say) you have no right to point fingers.
Dagger1955 1 week ago
Since most deaths occurred by disease, you would have the same,results if the Nina, Pina, and Santa Maria were crewed by Jimmy Carter, Bono, and the Dalai Lama. Most indians were lost to intermarriage, so with300 million americans a mere 2 percent indian ancestry would give 6 million descended from the 1.2million pre-columbian native population. That is growth, not genocide, even discounting the 2.5 million members of various US tribes alive today.
DonMeaker 1 month ago
@martynrobin121 Seeing something as savage is hardly genocide. Natives continued self ruling, and signed treaties as self ruling entities. Disease kills, due to its nature. only evidence of intent was from British officers. By contrast, US intent was to protect from disease by vaccination, and before that by inoculation. Natives also used torture. Scalping had been taught and compensated by British. US treaties protected and defined native rights, even against US citizens.
DonMeaker 1 month ago
@DonMeaker Its a well known fact, The US was guilty of genocide against the Natives.
1- Natives forced from their lands into Colonial occupation tribe after tribe.
2-Natives culture,language,laws made illegal and seen as savage.
3-The US rape,plunder for Greed & Profit East coast-West coast.
4-Natives been killed of disease,exposure,torture by US regime.
The US made sure, There was no Free American State. Even the British wanted & gave support the Natives to have their own Nation.
martynrobin121 1 month ago
@martynrobin121 You have to be alive to be killed. We just don't know how many Indians were in the US at the time of Independence. Indians such as Cherokee signed treaties, some Cherokee didn't leave and stayed, and their descendants survive to the present day. We know of much intermarriage, much trade, and Indian tribes acting as self governing nations to the present day, despite the Cherokee allying to the confederacy. That isn't genocide.
DonMeaker 2 months ago
@DonMeaker How can you deny the mass genocide? Honestly mate, Just take alook what happend after the US-Revoltuion, The Natives lost their Freedom and enslaved into occupation & death, Known as savage Indians. Look at the Treaties? They were ilegal taking advantage of REAL American People.
Their lands,riches were taken by force, Removed into death/occupation. Natives who refused to leave their lands, Where hunted down & killed. Just take alook what happend?Immigrants vs Native
martynrobin121 2 months ago
Lol. So 2 of you are wasting your KNOW EACH OTHER SO THERES NO POINT!!
SuperEpicCake 2 months ago
@martynrobin121 But it wasn't genocide. Most deaths were from disease, which occurred before the US was independent. Tribes were removed in return for compensation as stated in various treaties. Even after treaty removal, natives remained. Rather than be treated as animals, we dealt with them as fellow humans, subject to the same diseases, same desires, and same desire for self government. Much intermarriage occurred.
DonMeaker 2 months ago
@martynrobin121 Unfortunately Canada did the same. Every country has its dark history ..
pxdfover 2 months ago