JWQ #4: Do You Worship a "Pagan" Trinity? #4 of 4

Jehovah's Witness Questions: Answering Questions Your Jehovah's Witness Friends Ask: Topics Include: JWs and Christianity, Trinity, War, Hell, Cross, God's Name Jehovah, God's Kingdom, The Truth (JWQ Seminar from Witnesses for Jesus, Inc. - www.4witness.org)

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[Mekelsior]

Most excellent. Ill watch it a few more times when I get the chance. My mother is JW and Ill try and let her see who Christ is.

God Bless.

[witforjesus]

Amen! God bless you! I'll pray your mom comes to know Jesus too!

[onemarktwoyou]

@SorokChyetirye

Your the one who pointed out stories of resurrection out of Christianity! I stated the story of Osiris was not of resurrection! NO where did I say Jesus wasn't raised from the died! Your the one with the atheist arguments against it!!! Dionysus was worshipped before Jesus. But the story of his resurrection was created after Jesus!!!!! Earliest evidence points to 200A.D.. Your all over the road. If you point to paganism for your belief then your not a christian. Sola Scriptura!

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou The atheist use those arguments, and they have a slight point. Not in so much because Jesus is a lie. Christ is the Son of God. But because Jesus is reflected in all Creation, even pagan myth. In every myth since the dawn of civilization, Christ's life is found and reflected. Christ's life, death and resurrection is the summit of all of these tales, in that it contains all of them, and really happened. In other words, to take Christ seriously, you must believe it all about Him.

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou Your studies are done in bias - and your teachers are in bias, too. And not Godly bias, but human bias. Bias that cannot accept that God has a Son. Or that God became human. Lived like a human. Died like a criminal. Faced everything a human faced.

You cannot tolerate a loving, human God. What else is Christ incarnate BUT God and man unified, so that even God can know how His Creation lives and breathes?

And without the Holy Spirit, where is the authority of your teaching?

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou There WAS a resurrection. If not, as Paul says to the 1 Corinthians 15:17, our faith is in vain. All the Gospels testify to the fact of His Resurrection. And you damn well know they couldn't get away with a lie like that.

Dionysus was a pagan god who was worshiped long before the Son was made incarnate (not that he has anything to do with the resurrection, nor Buddha). But Bacchus was the god of wine, and Buddha a great teacher.

[onemarktwoyou]

@SorokChyetirye

Old atheist arguments?

1)Osiris, there was NO resurrection.

2)Dionysus, earliest account of his resurrection was 2nd century A.D.. Most likely copied from the stories of Jesus.

3)Budha, again not a story of resurrection. Given a completely new body based on morality of how it was lived.

Alcohol was used by all people across the globe. Of course it would have been brought into practices of spiritual use.

And I have studied all those examples where the trinity was to be found.

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou for those Bible verses that exemplify the Trinity, from Genesis to Revelation:

carm . org/trinity

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou Osiris, a pagan god, rose from the dead, as did Christ as all four of the Gospels and the Epistles testify to. Dionysus was the Greek god of wine and wine was used ceremonially in his honour. Krishna, Buddha, and Dionysus were all sons of virgins (or "godly" impregnation). Does that mean Jesus is a myth based on Osiris, Dionysus, and Buddha? No. Nor is the Trinity a pagan lie.

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou There are far more passages than that that make reference to the Trinity. CARM has a long list of references to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as the Holy Trinity, from Genesis to Relevation. (Note that God, Jesus, and the HS are not three separate gods, as it is with the Mormons, but is the One True God's three aspects. It's kinda like schizophrenia, but unified and unconflicting.)

You will also not find the word "Bible" in the Bible. Yet we all think of the Bible as authority.

[onemarktwoyou]

@SorokChyetirye

The question of the trinity is that the concept had to evolve over centuries. Thus was not given to man by G-d.

Moses and all the other prophets never stated it. Nor did Jesus.No where in the bible had it. 1John5:7 was added as well as Matthew 28:19 has signs of alteration. Both of these show signs of being not what was written.

Please give me examples of the Christ parallels that you have stated exists, so I can better understand your reply.

[SorokChyetirye]

@onemarktwoyou We also have pagan gods who rose from the dead, had sons born from virgins, who ceremonially used wine (or grape juice -_-) and bread, who gave people rules to follow, and who saved a certain culture from distress at the hands of many invaders? Does that mean that Jesus and YHWH are pagan gods based on those pagan gods? Guilt by analogy is not a valid reason to disbelieve in something.