Politically Incorrect with Camille Paglia

Back on his old show (and this was on Comedy Central, before the show even moved to ABC), Bill Maher had a two-part episode where he abandoned his usual roundtable discussion to have a one-on-one discussion with feminist icon Camille Paglia. Great stuff here.

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[MG30001]

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[will77jeff]

"Date rape is an act of control, not lust."

Why separate the two? Paglia has always acknowledged in her writing that power and eroticism are intertwined. It's mainstream feminism that thinks we can get power out of sex and therefore purify sex so that it is good and egalitarian. How naive.

[molbstilo]

Why shouldn't people focus on the prevention of rape?

[molbstilo]

It's certainly a thing in the military. Elsewhere in the general United States? And how the fuck am I a "Men's Rights Activist"?!?

[specsishere]

Perhaps I've used the wrong terminology. You're right, I haven't read much of Camille, and I really came across this video because of Bill Maher.

However, look on any social media network, find a hashtag or similar device that is related to something like Steubenville, and you'll find thousands of people saying that she was indeed "asking for it." Some are saying that she even deserved it. How can you say we don't live in a culture that excuses rape when a survivor is shamed publicly like that?

[specsishere]

I would disagree with this. And here's why:

To rape/sexually assault someone, you actually have to physically do something to that person. That person isn't making it "more inviting" because she's drunk or dressed "provocatively." (Which I think is a bullshit term, btw. Control yourself. Just because someone is dressed "provocatively" doesn't mean that it's an invitation to get fucked.) Perhaps the situation is more advantageous to the rapist, but that's not the survivor's fault.

[charms2]

Rape is treated the same way as any oher crime that is fundamentally discouraged. No one apologizes the crime if they point out whether it was making it easier for the rapist by dressing provocatively, drinking till intoxication etc.

An analogy: If you send your cash to a nigerian widow, you'll be a fraud victim. Society will call you stupid, but it will have no sympathy for the fraudster either. If we life in a "rape culture", we live in a "fraud culture" as well.

[specsishere]

What? How is that clear?

I'm pretty sure I just said that the people that rape other people should get the totality of the blame. Whether they are men, or women. It just so happens that the majority of rapists are men.

I don't think I would take my stance on feminism so far as to claim they overall have a "delusion of persecution." Nor do I think that the more extreme feminists are correct in saying that men "hate" women.

It's undeniable that many people focus on the "prevent" rape aspect.

[Shane Michael]

'Rape culture' is an absurd term that refers to a feminists delusion of persecution. It is clear from your comments that some women actually like being victims.

[Shane Michael]

Rape has been discouraged continually through-out human history. I don't believe anybody is saying that a women who dresses provocatively is 'asking' for it, It is clear that you have not read a single world that Camille Paglia has wrote, she continually pushes the point of human development (evolution is silly term as it is primal by its very nature) beyond primal instinct. However some people simply do not have that capacity, research Psychopathy and Sociopathy.