Countdown: Worst Person Nov. 26, 2008

You and the mainstream media are intellectually dishonest.

We had the same crap happen to us. The editor at our local newspaper quoted the Railroad Carriers as stating that the average employee at the Railroad makes 86 dollars an hour. They used the same fuzzy math that the Times did. I make less than 25 dollars an hour and even pay 200 of that a month back into my healthcare plan, a portion of that back into my retirement plan and on top of that union dues. I make a good living but no where near what it is portrayed as in the media.

America! Love it or leave it!
and if a state DOES leave it then we have the right to bomb the shit out of it, rape its women, and slaughter every last traitor in that state!!!!
I say we start with Texas and Oklahomo!

Andrew Sorkin is a disgusting apologist for the economic elite, who tries to paint himself as a fiscally sound citizen concerned with workers. He's a drisgrace.

I am an outsider from a country that has been as it is for about 500 years. The way the US started feels like an association of colonies to fight for independence. It was either that or to be crushed one by one. If you guide yourself by the patriotic intentions of the founding fathers then secession is treason. If you follow what the US actually was it is NOT. That is why they tried so hard to accomodate everybody in the constitution and when setting up the government, to prevent breakaways

I...get the individual statement that you made, but I'm not sure what your overall point is.

The Founding Fathers certainly envisioned and strove for a national coalition of states unified under the banner of one federal government, but they never said anything about people being forced to stay in the Union once they joined. The FF must have been big believers in secession; that is what they wanted to do with England. However, there was no peaceable way to do that under the colonial system.

And I think that the FF knew the US was too small and weak to survive in pieces. And that it would be better it was one nation in the future than a dozen quarreling like in Europe. That is why they tried to make it so all would be happy NOT to seceed. And then the South went histerical over Lincoln after decades of resenting being despised by the North.

Was it legal to seceed? Yes. Did the FF want it to happen? NO. Is it treason now? Yes.

The time to argue is past. Finished.

Really? You are telling me that the time for dissent is past? Are we all supposed to shut up and follow in lockstep whoever is in power.

The time for argument and discussion is always now! If there is ever a time when we can not argue in the United States, then the United States is dead as the FF intended.

Also, if it was, by your own admission, legal to seceed, how has it become treason? I do not recall when the Constitution was amended on that account.

It is my firm belief that you have to dissent if needed. And if they tell you you cannot dissent you have to dissent with bullets, explosives and the rope. Bush tried that, and if he had been able to get a third term and got it he would have turned the US into nazi Germany. Dissent all you want and I'll applaud you all the way.

But the US is the UNITED States and THAT is not a matter for discussion anymore. America, love it or leave it. Sorry but this is not Europe or Asia or Africa.

You say love it or leave it...but you will not let us leave it.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Federal gov. can force states to stay in the union.. It Does say in the Constitution that all rights not given to the Federal government resides in the states and the people. Therefore, it is the states right to seceed. Your opinion does not change the supreme law of the land.

I dislike Bush because of his socialistic tendencies, but I know of nothing he did to silence dissent.