A Model For Health Reform

With the debate over health care reform raging in Washington, many who study the issue are looking closely at one state that has already tackled reform on a comprehensive. Priya David reports.

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[diah4]

ok, but with cheaper healthcare, wont the care be less in quality, which I believe was your complaint about universal healthcare?

[JWC3RD]

In Oregon, where the state has the "public option" AND legal assisted suicide, a female cancer patient was denied chemotherapy and was advised to seriously consider the assisted suicide option. When questioned, the chief of the state system basically said they wouldn't spend money on chemotherapy when the money could "more effectively" be spent somewhere else. And I am sure that they "promised" that would never happen when pitching state run health care in Oregon.

[JWC3RD]

I don't doubt that the costs don't magically disappear. The problem with government run health care comes in what will happen to reign in costs. Rationing and higher taxes. At least in an open market, you can shop for the least expensive insurance. If Obama gets his way, there will only be the government and no choice on taxes, no choice on health care. Plus, and this was a point I was going to make in a separate comment post....which I will do in the next one

[diah4]

The bottom line is that somebody has to pay for them to be treated and since they're not turned away and have no way of paying for it, who do you think pays for it? The cost dont magically disappear.

[JWC3RD]

Again, no one is denied medical treatment in cases of urgent, critical, emergency health care, based on their ability or inability to pay. And the reasons I gave for it being a greater loss went well beyond "because I don't agree with it". And it's not just opinion.

[diah4]

Hell, health care is rationed now. If you have ins you get it. Doctors get paid entirely too much anyway. Surgeons and specialty doctors deserve it, just a reg Dr is overpaid.

You call it a greater loss because you dont agree with it. That makes what your saying an opinion.

Overall, I'm not as heartless as you people. 46 mil w/o healthcare is ridiculous and sitting by letting them die b/c people are selfish with their money says alot about the morality of the ppl in this country.

[JWC3RD]

It's a greater lose with government health care. Government will ration health care, increase taxes, doctors will become scarce as their pay will be fixed, plus those who oppose abortion will be forced to pay for it via taxes and senior citizens and individuals requiring costly services (cancer treatment) will be denied those treatments because the money "could go to someone with a 'more treatable' condition and the seniors and critically ill be be advised toward euthanasia.

[diah4]

The way you talk, it's a lose-lose situation either way. If that's the case, why are people so riled up when either way, they get fucked according to your logic?

[JWC3RD]

The fact is the number of people dying and the money being spent will both increase with a "public option" plan. And then taxes will increase and denials of service will increase and people dying will increase again.

[JWC3RD]

a large amount of illness can be prevented from simple checkups? So increasing the frequency by which people get checkups is going to lower costs? Seems to me, it will increase costs. You have people who will still only see a doctor, when they are sick. Some might go with a Prevention Care mindset, but that will only increase costs if they go, when they didn't go before. Doctors being overpaid? Sadly, cut their fees and doctors will leave the field for something else.