Response to stateless dictators

A response to the idea that a state cannot develop in the utopian world of free-market anarchists.

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• anarchy
• free-market
• property
• state
• politics
• anarchism
• objectivism

[Ilikenuman]

you say the state serves a purpose that no individual capitalist could... well doesnt that make Stefs point for him?

the state is a means to allow different firms and coops to cheat the system. remove the state and youre left with a fairer playing field.

[buddhagem]

@Ilikenuman No, because what he's talking about is "privatizing the state" which is essentially removing what little Democratic weaknesses the state now has and putting it entirely in the hands of private tyrannies.

[Questionablescum]

The easiest way to make the state government is with the car analogy. The car itself is the state, the person driving it and deciding where it is headed are the government.

[buddhagem]

I don't know if that works. If that were the case, Allende got ran over by his own car? Maybe his carpool buddies kicked him out and ran him over? OK, I'm just being silly. I'll have to think about that one.

[Questionablescum]

The state are the institutions and mechanisms that are used to enforce a government decision. Allende was not in control of all these state institutions, thus he was betrayed by the military. It is the most common example used in political science, accept it is an idealization.

[buddhagem]

Well JFK is another example. He started to change position on Cuba and was going to leave Vietnam. The state had him killed.

[a18gregjockca]

that head is so shiny. do you oil it?

[Ilikenuman]

@buddhagem ah right so people who are left with the largest amount of money can just buy shares and play the role of the state, sans the democratic part. Fair enough, good point.

[Ilikenuman]

Well one thing the state does is protect property rights (whetever thats supposed to mean). So these factory owners in a stateless society would have nobody protecting their legitimacy other than other workers (private security). So if conditions get so bad in this factory then he can be removed from his place.

[kittiest34]

In a moneyless/barterless system who are you going to sell your wares to. What are you going to buy. How does the market let you be free? By exploiting others for their labor?

If so, how are they then free?

There will always be war as long as there is classes of haves and have nots.

[ProprietorOfSelf]

basically what i got out of this video was, capitalism can not exist without a state because adam smith said so. thats it.

[LeeGeeGee]

If the means of production are owned in common then who are you going to sell them to? There is no freedom for the individual to own means of production, under socialism. If somehow a means of production could be sold to an individual, that would be private ownership of the means of production - it would no longer be socialism.

[LeeGeeGee]

If the means of production are owned in common then who are you going to sell them to? There is no freedom for the individual to own means of production, under socialism. If someone a means of production could be sold to an individual, that would be private ownership of the means of production - the negation of socialism.

[dafatalgigabyte]

And repairing them too. I believe that's called actually working :D.