A Capitalism alternative? The Mondragon Cooperatives with Professor Fred Freundlich

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[killerbandit]

Co-operation is the future and we can almost see it. Unregulated capitalism is doing great killing itself off.

[julsHz]

Unregulated capitalism is doing a great job killing US off...

Nice comment.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Mutualism > capitalism

[forty911]

This is the future. Today would be better.

[QuatFax]

@fred5399 Why thank you!

[fred5399]

@QuatFax At last someone with a brain.

[kyouhun]

Hi, U.S.: 14.3 trillion in debt

[qwertypoiu4321]

If a business could keep all of its workers' massive initial capital investment and wages to paper over losses and get subsidized by the coercive State it would always be profitable as well. This is proof of why co-operatives will never work.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@TheLibertarianzye

Bull-shit.

Nuff said.

[MrPointforward]

.best socialist model: not privately-owned since efficient but exploitative and non-egalitarian, not state-owned since egalitarian but inefficient and authoritarian, but workers-owned i.e. cooperatives since free market still present [efficient] and managed by the workers themselves, no bosses [egalitarian, non-exploitative, non-authoritarian].

[QuatFax]

@TheLibertarianzye No, socialism is worker control over production. All of the major socialist philosophies incorporate that.

Free markets and private property (including the Lockean concept) are totally consistent with socialism. Even Marx and Engels accepted that Mutualists like Proudhon were socialists. The central concept of socialism is worker control, not the state.

A large minority if not a majority of socialists are anarchists; they don't believe the state should even exist!

[QuatFax]

@TheLibertarianzye Sure there is. Workers produce more wealth than they are payed. They aren't given control over the surplus value of their labor.

It depends on what you mean by property. If by property, you mean any allocation of resources, then you're right, no economy could exist without it. But if you mean the Lockean concept of absentee ownership, that is in no way necessary for a functioning economy.