Beethoven Piano sonata No8 Pathetique 2st mvt / Glenn Gould

Glenn Gould（グレン･グールド）演奏の「悲愴」ソナタ第2楽章です。

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• Beethoven
• PianoSonata
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• Pathetique
• 悲愴
• ２楽章

[Chopin1974l]

This is marked adagio cantabile not andante which is the speed at which Gould decides to take it. It's too fast. I really do not understand how he can bear to throw away phrase of such exquisite beauty. Such an incredibly poor interpretation. But I'm not surprised. Gould was an egomaniac par excellence.

[Gamicchi3]

彼の演奏は楽譜に忠実ではないのかもしれない。

そして それが気に入らない人も居るでしょう、私はそれを否定しません。

では、考え方を変えてGouldはGouldというジャンルなの­だと思えば、彼の変則的な解釈も受け入れ易いのではないでしょう­か。

私は音楽を、それを聴いて自分の心に何かしらの快感を呼ぶか否か­で選別しています、Gouldの演奏からはGouldからしか得­られない美を感じます。　敬愛する奏者の一人です。　コメントありがとう。

[TokyoDoggyDog]

what is 2st movement?!!

[Chopin1974l]

@dim19f: You are absolutely correct! Thank you:)

[CathEuph]

Dearest musical geniuses, would you mind explaining me, a musical ignorant, why is gould such an egomaniac?

Thx for your time :)

[Chopin1974l]

@colourfulwithau Yes, good point! I've listened to both his Mozart and Chopin. Just absurd. With respect his Goldberg variations, you are absolutely right, they are the height of genius. At least with Bach his ego was subverted, but with other composers it's in full force.

[colourfulwithaU]

@Chopin1974l

Gould just hated the romantic period. I would agree with you that this is too fast, but if you thought this was a travesty, go listen to him playing Mozart. It's atrocious. This is a breath of fresh air after that.

But, if you think Gould was just an egomaniac, go listen to his interpretations of the Goldberg variations and say that again. Never has more care been taken to make music beautiful.

[dim19f]

@Chopin1974l You are wasting your time answering to someone who clearly does not conversate for the sake of constructive interaction. His musical taste says it all. He categorized Chopin below Schoenberg and in the same category as Glass. I know that not all things in music are objective but for people who study and love music there are some standard values. Gould was a peculiar case, I dont like his beethoven, I laugh with his mozart (funny tempos) and love his bach. Just let him be...

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI...lastly, it is you, through your musical snobbery, that has actually limited your ability to appreciate beauty in all music. Your naive view of the great composers being tiered is a view of a musically very immature individual. One that does not posess the ability to understand the great impact Chopin, Brahms, Rachmaninoff, et al, had on composers that followed. Good luck with learning to fully appreciate all composers rather than insulting the greats.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI You've proven your inability to comprehend. The concord sonata is his 2nd sonata, as I stated, not concord sonata 2 as you assumed I meant. Secondly, I was not referring in particular to this sonata when speaking of aleatoric or atonal music. I was referring to Ives work in general. It is you who is "virginal" in his musical education as well as comprehension and understanding.

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l @Chopin1974l FYI there is only one Concord Sonata, your listing of (number 2) I will simply take as a mistake rather than the more tempting option. Also, there is nothing aleatoric about this particular sonata as it is scored completely by Ives. Likening this music atonal is I think simply a matter of the delicate nature of your own ears—virginal, nevermind your "playing". But again, much luck with your learning.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI You really are quite condescending, aren't you. I know Ives music well, and admire his music and have played a number of his piano compositions including the concord piano sonata (number 2). I simply am not a fan of aleatoric, atonal music. Likening Chopin's music to dirty water is truly quite absurd. You are, most assuredly in a minority. Thank goodness.

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l @Chopin1974l: glad you agree with me that opinion is not fact. I suggest you listen to Charles Ives if you can, your musical celibacy will be deflowered by the music of this great man. In simplistic terms the music of Ives is one of a great fiery strength whereas Chopin is like the remains of a large family communal bath—lukewarm, opaque, soiled. Good luck with the beginning of your learning.