Centrist Policies Aren't Necessarily Daft

Not always.

In other news, I raise this thing from the dead:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AntiBSMan

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[Fireinthedawn]

I think mostly where I disagree with you, and it wasn't specific to that argument is that I find that often times the position in the dead center (and not always) is worse than either of the two extremes. a perfect example of this could be the policies that lead to this economic meltdown. On one hand you had democratic aides and people in the DNC telling banks to lend money to poor people, they also set up a series of regulations to prevent the banks from lending to people who would just default

[AntiBullshitMan]

@Fireinthedawn

You're referring to the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, aimed to prevent redlining. The problem with this is that out of all the private investment banks, firms and affiliates responsible for lending out sub-prime mortgage loans, less than one fifth were actually subject to comprehensive supervision.

traigerlaw(DOT)com/publication­s/traiger_hinckley_llp_cra_for­eclosure_study_1-7-08(DOT)pdf

But all of this is irrelevant anyway since the CRA is not a policy I discussed/endorsed.

[Fireinthedawn]

justice isn't supposed to be revenge, it's supposed to be about rehabitiation, EXCEPT when there's NO rehabiltiaitng a prisoner, then they should be kept out of society no matter the cost.

[AntiBullshitMan]

@Fire "it's supposed to be about rehabitiation, EXCEPT when there's NO rehabiltiaitng a prisoner"

That is basically the jist of the point I drove towards. The use of caps for emphasis implies that you took something else away from that portion of the video. So for the record; I made it patently clear that it's inane to have a never-say-die attitude about rehabilitating all of them, or even the majority of them.

No rolling of dice with repeat-offenders if taxpayer $ is to be used to treat them.

[Fireinthedawn]

there's no therapy for sociopaths. I'm somewhat humanitrain but once a prisoner shows traits of sociopathy they should automatically get a life sentense. They are dangers to society, and there is NO REHABILITATING a sociopath. They are not responsive to therapy-they use it to learn how to mimic empathy better. To some extent not having a conscious is not their fault, so executing them would be inconsciousable, but once a prisoner is a sociopath, they should NOT be let into society, EVER.

[AntiBullshitMan]

Nevermind my 1st reply, just saw this follow-up comment: "there is NO REHABILITATING a sociopath"

This is factually incorrect, when asserted in a sweeping bold way. You're talking to someone who has known at least 1 former sociopath with classic torpor towards guilt/empathy from early on as a toddler all the way to his early 20s. It gradually unraveled, without the crutch of therapy. It's been established that success is possible, even without the aid of professionals, but increasingly with it.

[AntiBSMan]

@masluxx

This is correct to a degree, but you must always keep in mind that a facet of what makes uni-care work so well is the high level of medical innovation from the States. If you have stats that demonstrate how this is a correlation=/=causation fallacy & how gov't involvement doesn't hinder innovation, do present them.

Even so, surely those capable of affording instant private care should have at least 1 developed sanctuary where they aren't going to be subject to wait periods/rationing.

[AntiBSMan]

"circle talk"

You're the one doing it. I already explained that healthcare here is privatized. Your inability to understand how this ties into your previous point, is your own problem.

"free market"

Even the US doesn't have a free-market healthcare system, much less Canada. Just because it's privatized doesn't mean it's "free-market". You're clueless yet arrogant as hell.

"answer the question"

You're the one who casually ignored my question regarding gov't involvement causing rationing.

[Fireinthedawn]

to date NO form of therapy has been found effective in a scientific setting to treat aspd. There are forms that COULD. I'd be interested if there was, but according to the mainstream psychatric community I'm right: they don't respond to therapy.

[Fireinthedawn]

lthough others have reported contradictory findings.[16] Schema Therapy is being investigated as a treatment for antisocial personality disorder.[17] Cognitive behavioral strategies are being studied as a means to combat personality disorders, and they appear to help at least some antisocial persons. Medications targeting comorbid psychiatric disorders may help to reduce antisocial behaviors. [18]

[Fireinthedawn]

per wikipedia: To date there have been no controlled studies reported which found an effective treatment for ASPD, although contingency management programs, or a reward system, has been shown moderately effective for behavioral change.[14] Some studies have found that the presence of ASPD does not significantly interfere with treatment for other disorders, such as substance abuse,[

[Fireinthedawn]

most of the reading, i've done on Sociopaths suggest that if a sociopath displays empathy he a. never had anti social personality disorder in the first place or b. is faking it. The images that most people conjure when they think of a sociopath are completely off the money. most of them are out there, living completely normal lives, not killing people, not raping people. They're just ordinary people wit no conscience.

[Fireinthedawn]

south park does it all the time, the argument to moderation, but the moderate position is not always the right position. Sometimes it is, but I've been finding the examples of moderate positions being reasonable to be actually kind of rare.

[Fireinthedawn]

anyways, after they tried to pass these regulations republicans voted against all of them, so the banks lent money completely wrecklessly, and now we have the banking crisis. position in the dead center would of been worse than just not lending to them at all or lending to them with regulation.