***** 16. Evolution vs. Creationism: The Age of the Earth *****
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God warns (via the bible) of every thing that would offend him ~ he never missed a single trick e.g the ruling in Deuteronomy: if a woman's husband gets into a fight, and the woman withdraws her husband from the fracas by grabbing ahold of his privates, then her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown to her. Now, with such a cosmic intelligence as displayed there, where does this bald-headed "scientific" git get off defying "The Great Yowie" over how the world was really created!!!
MagenticAdam66 7 hours ago
@orlandofriend God made the first tree with rings, Adam fully grown, fossils in the rocks and star light already on the way....or not.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
If God created Adam on the sixth day and there were trees and such any reasonable scientist would say that Adam was a grown male and a few decades old. They would cut a grown tree and see there were many rings and they would count the years to determine the age. But if you believe that God created all things then you would know that Adam and the trees were just a day old.
orlandofriend 2 weeks ago
@Dporebski20 " a global flood? Is it not plain to see?"
Definitely no. You are correct in how fossils usually form - in sediments of lakes or rivers where animals can be covered quickly and protected from erosion, decay and scavenging. However this has happened continuously over 500 MY and not in one single occurrence.
There is also no geological evidence for a single flood event and nothing from 6000 years ago.
mtbee9 1 month ago
@Dporebski20 "proof of its occurrence?" I am not an astrophysicist and have not researched the evidence for the heavy bombardment but I think it is based on the knowledge of how solar systems form and the 'debris' that is around the sun that forms the planets. This would leave many objects that would collide with the planets and this would decrease over time as they are used up. Look up Heavy bombardment.
mtbee9 1 month ago
@mtbee9 And I'm just curious. Why couldn't all of the millions of fossils of dead organisms laid down in fossil graveyards be considered as evidence of a flood? Fossils don't just form anywhere and for any reason. There has to be specific conditions for a fossil to form and most of the best preserved fossils that we have are of organisms buried by sediment in moving water. Why isn't this given consideration as potential "evidence" for a global flood? Is it not plain to see?
Dporebski20 1 month ago
@mtbee9 Obviously the earth didn't always have large mountains. It's been shifting about for a while now and Mt. Everest may not have existed according to Creationist's ideas. The talk about comets is nice and all and it makes sense but where is the evidence that a "heavy bombardment" occurred? U said "it is thought" to have occurred. Was it just thought because it makes sense or is there actual empirical proof of its occurrence? I'm just trying to learn here, not supporting any particular idea.
Dporebski20 1 month ago
@mtbee9 You have a good point but have u considered the possibility that nobody knows how much water was on the earth in the past? We don't know how many comets supposedly bombarded the earth early in its history/formation. However, we do know the amount of water on earth today and if you look it up, the oceans could cover the entire land masses of earth over one mile deep if the majority of large mountains were smoothed out and valleys were brought up.
Dporebski20 1 month ago
@Dporebski20 "How many comets would have to hit the earth to provide that much water"
Probably quite a lot - but then we have had billions of years for this to happen. Also there is thought to have been a period of 'heavy bombardment' when there were a lot more comets and meteors around earlier in the forming of the Solar system.
It is also possible that not all the water came from comets.
There is no evidence of the amount of water needed to cover the Earth 6000 years ago.
mtbee9 1 month ago
@Dporebski20 "It does not explain where vast oceans came from." Exactly my point. There is not enough water in or on the Earth to create a flood to cover everything. Therefore the bible story of Noah is fiction!
When the religions can show scientifically that there was once a lot more water to cover the earth, where it came from and where it went to then there may be a discussion on the merits of if a global flood could have happened. Then they need evidence that it actually did occur!
mtbee9 1 month ago