Response to John Loftus

This is a response to the first video on Youtube by John Loftus of Debunking Christianity. I am posting this copy just in case the other does not go through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seR4DtSf7VQ

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[BoyintheMachine]

Matthew 27:50-53

"Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many."

This story is found in Matthew only. Most religious scholars do not accept this as being a genuine event and believe it to be a dramatic rendition.

Big clue that the bible has false things.

The Bible = Mythology

[ShadowCLB]

Imagine if I wrote, "Most people believe that God exists, big clue that atheism is wrong". Would you accept that reasoning as well?

This is an appeal to majority which is a fallacy.

[stevenstreet483]

your last comment was 7 months ago, have you become an atheist yet? It shouldn't have taken this long.

If by chance you haven't become one yet, then just keep doing more research on your religion, you'll get there sure enough.

[RobotzAreAwesome]

I never stated you didn't understand deism. I simply stated you haven't responded to my contradiction.  If you have an answer, I'd love to hear it. Here it is again:

"On the day of resurrection, Luke says Jesus first met his discpiles in Gaillee, Matthew says it was in Jerusalem. Gailee is 70 miles north of Jerusalem, at least one of these "witnesses" is wrong."

[BoyintheMachine]

Mankind created the Gods. Then a group of people created a God and believed that this God was the true God and all other Gods were false gods. Guess what? Still no proof for the existance of any Gods, let alone the one true God. Plus when you realize that the bible is filled with scientific errors, superstition, and magic, not to mention horrible evil, then it becomes clear that the biblical God is just another made up deity. Only sheep need shephards. Live free by choosing Atheism.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued)...that God means that he will kill gays, not for his people to kill gays. The woman realizes that murder is wrong and she believes the bible is inerrant, so therefore she twists the meaning by making it seem as if the bible is not saying what it is truly saying.  The truth is that God commanded his people to stone to death gays and other breakers of the religious law. That's the cold hard truth.

Starting in Genesis the bible has been twisted to make it "true".

[BoyintheMachine]

In Science, the claim of inerrancy is not allowed. Everything must be potentionally falsifiable. If something is unfalsifiable, hence inerrant, then it must be discarded.

When Christians claim inerrancy for the Bible, what they are truly claiming is that they will twist the meaning and interpretation of the Bible in order to prevent the bible from being wrong. Case in point, a post I read a couple of hours ago. A woman claims that the bible does not say to kill gays...

[BoyintheMachine]

It's not an appeal to majority. The gospel of Matthew lists an unlikely story that is not listed by the other gospels. Most religious authorities agree that the story is not real but was a later dramatic rendition ment to reinforce the divinity of Jesus. Well, guess what. It's still proof that the bible contains false things. Why? Because it's mythology.

[ShadowCLB]

I mean do you really think I do not know what deism is? If by seeing the light you mean becoming something other than a Christian then no, I have not seen it. I have been studying other positions my entire life, do you really think your shallow understanding of the biblical text as expressed through com boxes (of all places) is going to turn me? You will need to do much better than this. Perhaps when I get the Internet back up we can schedule a debate. I would very much enjoy that.

[ShadowCLB]

"The Christian religion is based on inerrancy. Christianity can never be wrong, therefore it can never be right."

The conclusion does not at all follow from the premises.

[ShadowCLB]

The Internet can be a great tool, but it is not the greatest place to find such alleged problems with Scripture. Have you read the relevant Christian literature regarding these alleged "contradictions"? Have you studied the Bible at all for yourself rather than going on the hearsay of Internet sites?