Re: Quran and The Speed of Light?

Link to original video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NRxaRi1pw

Ibn Kathirs Commentary on Surah 32:5:
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=32&tid=40970

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[mqintach]

I am a muslim but I am not blindly trust wat other muslim says and thank u for reveal da truth. errr, i hope it is the truth. I hate math.So i don understand any side of these explanations. So I do not know which one is the truth. Since i am so stupid.I will only believe all the facts brought out and proved by Muslim scholar/experts. this video above seem the right one (I dono) if it really the right one.congrats then and good job.Can you reveal the real fact behind da miracle city of mecca pls?

[Glorthac]

Hello friend. If you would like, I will look into the supposed miracles of the Kaaba and the number 19, and make a video about my research. It will take me a week or two to do the proper research, but if you are willing to wait, I can make a video for you. I will send the video to you after I am finished.

[Middleground4]

The distance traveled by light in one Earth Day = C t' = 299792.458 km/sec x 86170.43114 sec = 25833245358 km

The distance traveled by angels = 12000 L' = 12000 x 3682.8 km/hr x 655.71986 hr x cos(26.92952225) = 25836303825 km

By dividing the two distances we get the ratio of 1.00011839267. Difference = 0.01%

Outside gravitational fields: 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day = SPEED OF LIGHT



How would Muhammad (SAWS) know this/

[Glorthac]

I love how Muslims copy and paste without even listening to what I said! Here's a simple question you can't answer.

You wrote "12000 L". L is broken down into several numbers, one which is "3682.8". Where did they get this number? Check the websites, they come to that number from the equation 2πr/t.

However, they give π to the 4th decimal place. My first question you cant answer is: if they gave π to the 5th decimal place, wouldn't that change the final answer?

[silveren777]

@81theace

That's not a clear statement, since the verb 'sent down' can and has been understood metaphorically by classical exegetes. We can't say the litteral interpretation is intended by the Quran just because it's confirmed by Science, otherwise that'd amount to begging the question.

As for the allusion to the phenomena you talk about, they rely on the same trick: a posteriori selective interpretation.

[81theace]

@silveren777

The verses were relating to the uses of that elemental iron rather than the oxidized form, the astounding thing here is the specificity and choice of words "sent down" rather than any other word. You have to remember, this is more than 1400 years ago, it is pitched at different levels. Once something was mentioned, the choice of words was flawless.

What's ur take on the other verses (now flagged as spam?!) pertaining to the big bang, expansion of the universe, big crunch etc..

[silveren777]

@81theace

Not wrong! But for instance nickel has also this double origin (from Earth crust and meteoritic)

[81theace]

@silveren777

The "Oxygen Catastrophe" resulted in oxidization of metals (including Iron) on earth, subsequent to that Iron was "sent down" (Meteor origin) this is of course after Earth was a planet.

Metallic iron is rarely found on the surface of the earth because it tends to oxidize, but its oxides are pervasive and represent the primary ores.

Although rare, iron meteorites are the main form of natural metallic iron on the Earth's surface. i.e unique to being "sent down" down the track

[81theace]

@silveren777

Earth's initial structure had lot of those elements that were synthesized in stars (otherwise it wouldn't have formed as a planet) in fact iron constitutes about 35% of the Earth's mass (inner + outer core and crust)

The point about Iron as such is that subsequent to the initial formation of earth, and a considerable period of time after the formation of Earth, meteros resulted in metallic iron being found as we know it on the crust (in contrast to iron that was initially there)

[81theace]

@silveren777

I am not confusing that, but if you are to look at the origins of atoms that way, this discussion becomes obsolete because all atoms apart from hydrogen, helium and lithium were subsequently created in stars.

In astronomy, a "metal" is any element other than hydrogen, helium or lithium. This distinction is significant because hydrogen and helium (together with trace amounts of lithium) are the only elements that occur naturally without the nuclear fusion activity of stars.

[silveren777]

@81theace

You're confusing the molecule of dioxygen (O2) and the element oxygen itself.

What cyanobacteria produce through the mechanism of photosynthesis from water (H2O) and carbon dioxyde (CO2) is dioxygen, but this implies the prior presence of oxygen element, which came from supernovae.

[81theace]

@silveren777

The discussion here is the origins of the elements as we find them here on planet earth.

i,e I agree, Oxygen and heavier elements can originate from supernova. However, Oxygen on earth certainly did not originate from supernovas, in fact Oxygen originated from earth itself; look up "Oxygen Catastrophe" which is a distinct stage in our planet's history.

The question here is the origin of elements on earth and NOT how elements form in general. Research "origin of earth"

[silveren777]

@81theace

All elements heavier than oxygen were mainly fall on the Earth created by supernovae, iron isn't the only one.