Chomsky interview with Michael Dranove: On the Ron Paul Libertarians (6/6)

Noam Chomsky speaks with Michael Dranove,
Youtube user PlasticJesus341

March 13th, 2009

Recorded and Edited by Charngchi Way

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News & Politics

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• Noam
• Chomsky
• plasticjesus341
• Ron
• Paul
• Libertarians
• anti-politics

[rwoz]

I do not agree with the interviewers view on RP libertarians, are they cynical? Thats what I used to think about them as well, but now Im practically all for Ron Paul (not living in USA though), understanding the extreme danger of a centralized government. Why is the left so upset with the thought of voluntary actions instead of government intervention?

[RSFO]

@LibertyMike1 I hate it when you presuppose that Ron Paul is libertarian and Noam Chomsky is not. We are libertarian socialists, so we are libertarians. Even though I agree with Ron Paul and you on many things (no doubt about that!), I still at large think you are rather propertarians than libertarians, when the talk is on money and economy. That part is definitely not libertarian of the socalled "Libertarian" movement.

[devinthrash]

@ACDC7369 thats true... it all ultimately benefited corporations more. im just saying it was known for creating the beginning of social welfare programs.

[ACDC7369]

@devinthrash what do you think the New Deal was? It was massive, massive amounts of corporate welfare

[ACDC7369]

and the fundamental thing which divides the left libertarians from the right libertarians is that the left like chomsky trusts government only if if is pure democracy, not centralized control. the far right distrusts government regardless of which form it takes on, because all government, even pure democracy, is eventually exploited by the elite and turned into a mechanism of centralized control

[weeny25]

Switzerland's democracy is excellent, it allows much better participation of the people and is not centralised, and big decisions are made with referenda. I think part of the reason people fear/despise government is due to inefficiencies with tax payer money, where things like junkets,pork barrel and so on simply make peoepl disillusioned that the government is actually serving their interests.

[donpengin]

Some alien force ie from out of the state, or the government. How about a quasi-government institution such as the federal reserve. In the lack of a democracy like in the US.

[devinthrash]

@cheeriozkitty fdr started social welfare in the 1930's along with his bad ass new deal initiative. Reagan started corporate welfare... this is sociology 101, come on guys.

[milascave2]

Yawn.

OK< one more time.

You syill have not cited a source, so I will.

Wikopedia, history of welfare says: Welfar in the USA started in the 1930s. See, that is an example of citing a source other than my own opinions. Now, don't attack my source. Cite a better one. Otherwise I will not respond again, because I simply don't have to time to converse with somebody who, even in the internet age, when citing a source is so easy, can not be bothered to do so.

I have a life.

Good night.

[cheeriozkitty]

@milascave2 When losing an argument, the best thing to do is quickly run away. You've learned that lesson well.

There is no argument over semantics. FDR clearly did not support the concept of welfare. All of his welfare-esque programs promoted labor as their primary objective. That's WORKFARE, the concept of temporary relief and not WELFARE, entitlement programs.