Obviously it wasnt about slavery. If it was about slavery, why did the emancipation proclamation not come until almost 2 years after the war had started? The only reason slavery was brought up was to keep france and britain from helping the south.
The tenth amendment doesn't say states can leave the country. The mere idea that states can come and go at will or of their own accord is asinine. Allowing them to leave just because they disagreed with the policy of potentially ending slavery completely defeats the purpose of having a union in the first place. There's a reason the constitution has rules for joining the union but not leaving, because when you join it is for life. For better or worse, til death do you part.
@newfrickinshow I never said slavery was morally right - that is a different debate. What you need to realize is that the south had COMPELTE constitutional right, granted under the 10th amendment, to seceed from the union, and work out the problem of slavery (which I contend would have been obsolete in 20 or so years). The Union committed treason, and the Fed. Repub. became a unitary state as a result. Lets point the finger of treason northward, where it should be pointed, shall we?
"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. "
First I would like to say that with Bleeding Kansas the Civil War actually started before Lincoln took office. The problem with Fort Sumter is Fort Sumter was a United States military base, the fact that some jackass fake president of a pretend country claimed it to be his base didn't change that. Public opinion was turning against slavery and after Kansas became a free state it became more likely slavery would become illegal. The south just felt free niggers were intolerable.
@newfrickinshow Lincoln forced the issue. Davis said countless times that they just wanted to be left alone. If you doubt that, ask yourself why, when Lincoln only had less than 2000 men to defend Washington in early '61, and the CSA had over 20,000, didn't they attack? They were fighting for self defense, not treason. The Union comitted treason, not the south. Fort Sumter was fired upon because Lincoln forced the issue. He was no saint.
Bold? Very few times in the history of mankind has a simpler claim been made and the constitution has nothing to do with it. They took up arms against their home country. That's been the definition of treason since the time nations were first established.
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TheMagicGuild8 1 month ago
Obviously it wasnt about slavery. If it was about slavery, why did the emancipation proclamation not come until almost 2 years after the war had started? The only reason slavery was brought up was to keep france and britain from helping the south.
safarigoo 9 months ago
Wth, it was NOT about slavery. Abraham was using that case partially to his defense. Educate yourselves you dumb fucks.
GotYoochun 9 months ago
@pricegenealogy
The tenth amendment doesn't say states can leave the country. The mere idea that states can come and go at will or of their own accord is asinine. Allowing them to leave just because they disagreed with the policy of potentially ending slavery completely defeats the purpose of having a union in the first place. There's a reason the constitution has rules for joining the union but not leaving, because when you join it is for life. For better or worse, til death do you part.
newfrickinshow 10 months ago
@newfrickinshow I never said slavery was morally right - that is a different debate. What you need to realize is that the south had COMPELTE constitutional right, granted under the 10th amendment, to seceed from the union, and work out the problem of slavery (which I contend would have been obsolete in 20 or so years). The Union committed treason, and the Fed. Repub. became a unitary state as a result. Lets point the finger of treason northward, where it should be pointed, shall we?
pricegenealogy 10 months ago
@pricegenealogy
From the Texas state's letter of secession:
"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. "
newfrickinshow 10 months ago
@pricegenealogy
First I would like to say that with Bleeding Kansas the Civil War actually started before Lincoln took office. The problem with Fort Sumter is Fort Sumter was a United States military base, the fact that some jackass fake president of a pretend country claimed it to be his base didn't change that. Public opinion was turning against slavery and after Kansas became a free state it became more likely slavery would become illegal. The south just felt free niggers were intolerable.
newfrickinshow 10 months ago
@newfrickinshow Lincoln forced the issue. Davis said countless times that they just wanted to be left alone. If you doubt that, ask yourself why, when Lincoln only had less than 2000 men to defend Washington in early '61, and the CSA had over 20,000, didn't they attack? They were fighting for self defense, not treason. The Union comitted treason, not the south. Fort Sumter was fired upon because Lincoln forced the issue. He was no saint.
pricegenealogy 10 months ago
@dsa4898
Jefferson Davis is the REAL Uncle Tom.
newfrickinshow 10 months ago
@pricegenealogy
Bold? Very few times in the history of mankind has a simpler claim been made and the constitution has nothing to do with it. They took up arms against their home country. That's been the definition of treason since the time nations were first established.
newfrickinshow 10 months ago