12 steps programs 3

part 3

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• pen
• teler
• alcoholism

[leerman22]

A group that believes alcoholism is a disease, rejects a drug that cures it. News flash! You treat diseases with drugs!

[FalloutTheMaster]

"you have to believe the same thing they do, cuz if you don't, you're not going to make it"

Sounds like the heaven-hell ultimatum

[polytide51]

It pisses me off when I hear alcoholics and druggies as disease victims. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease, Parkinson's is a disease, Hodgkin Lymphoma is a disease. You don;t have to have a drink or take drugs and you can stop. Can't stop a real disease. Stuff that's self inflicted gets no sympathy from me

[Thetarget1]

I had a nice cold beer watching this.

[SiloKybe]

(Continued from previous comment) I should add that as far as I know, alcohol/benzodiazepine withdrawal is the only form of drug withdrawal that can be fatal. Not even heroin withdrawal poses this risk; you'll just feel absolutely supremely shitty in every way and you wont be able to sleep a wink... but you'll live. Management a severe alcohol addiction should always be done under a doctor's supervision.

[SiloKybe]

The only problem I had with this is the very last comment from Penn about just quitting cold turkey. While this is the good option all of the time for most drug addictions, it can be a very bad option for those who are severely dependent on specifically alcohol or benzodiazepines (Xanax, Valium, Klonopin, Ativan, etc). The withdrawal syndrome is clinically identical for alcohol and any type of benzo, and in severe cases, quitting cold turkey can actually lead to a fatal seizure. read about it

[Hammersley1967]

@LW87b

“We have never called alcoholism a disease because, technically speaking, it is not a disease entity … we did not wish to get it wrong with the medical profession by pronouncing alcoholism a disease entity. Therefore we always called it an illness, or a malady – a far safer term to use.”

* William Griffith Wilson (1961) addressing National Catholic Clergy Conference on Alcoholism.

[stoshd]

Court mandating AA is WRONG! In our city we have made the local drug court (also a bullshit thing) stop sending their assholes to us. The God thing is "as you understand God", So no it isnt a religion. AA isnt the only way, and no AA member would ever tell you that unless they are a dipshit. Also, I dont think the recovery rate in AA is 5%, I think its lower than that. "God" as i understand him doesnt really give a fuck about anything, I wish yall would have called me,sober 6 years AA works 4me

[andreasheinz]

@andreasheinz That one WAS cool:

WFMU :: The Cherry Blossom Clinic - June 18, 2011

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you may only find it googling or in Youtube. Check for 'Spanish revolution' or '15M ... Sat. 6/18/11 5:34pm andreasheinz: "Grece will not leave..."

[LW87b]

(Comment 3 of 3 continued from below) My happiness and ability to be useful to society is worth the price of having logical inconsistencies in my beliefs, which I acknowledge. I really hope that anyone who is especially disparaging in here will get to know someone who is a good example of a 12 step program before judging them too harshly. And for what it's worth, the basic text of AA never uses the word "disease". I myself consider it a spiritual sickness, not something genetic.

[LW87b]

(Comment 2 of 3 continued from below) I know numerous people who could tell you the same thing and we are all happy people aiming to make the world a better place - pretty good for a group of people who used to be hopeless drunks, even sometimes ex-criminals. Applying the 12 steps in our lives made us better people and as a result have allowed us to have positive impact on the world...