Re: Re: Re: The magnet motor challenge: PART 1

Here is part 2. I might use this opportunity to mention that relating to what I say at the beginning of part 2, that all forces inherently contain energy, that the elementary nuclear particles, the proton and neutron, only get something like 5% of their mass from the quarks which comprise them; the rest is in the strong force field itself, which holds them together. Or should I say the 'color force' - the strong force is usually used to describe the force holding the like-charged nucleons in a clumb to form the nucleus of an atom but it is really just a residue of the color force in the same way that electric dipoles are attracted to one another but not nearly as strongly as monopoles. And the quarks themselves may have a similar story, which would mean that the mass of solid stuff is entirely in the form of the energy stored in force fields. And what's more, LIGHT, aka electromagnetic radiation, has exactly half its energy stored in its magnetic field and half in its electric field. It may in fact be that every single form of mass we know of, whether commonly referred to as energy or mass, is in fact a consequence of the energy contained in the fields of forces.

Also, I may have gone a little too far in saying that Newton's theory of gravity would be the correct one if not for the energy of gravitational fields. Certainly it can be attributed to most of the causes of the correct relation between force and distance, but i guess it doesn't lead in completeness to general relativity, since it doesn't seem that gravitational effects on the fabric of spacetime itself or for instance why gravitational waves move at the speed of light would be a consequence of this. But you get the idea.

By the way, if you can't read the comments at the beginning of part 1 because youtube really cut the resolution of the video I've uploaded (hopefully not much else is illegible), they are in the DEZZIELIGHTBULB007 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRWdT-5TTf0

which is apparently DEZZIELIGHTBULB007's response to his own original video which desertphile tried to debunk (and botched the job).

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[ChrisThePrick]

So the Internet is so wonderfull for getting the information you want to prove a point. No woinder we all love it. So can I get my wify to get free internet.

So what are your selling?

[supersandor]

I'm selling buttkicks. Only 50 cents each, or 5 dollars for a dozen swift kicks in the butt. All you have to do is show up at my door, open up your wallet, and bend over. Such a deal!

[Desertphile]

I did not "try" to debunk the video: I *DID* debunk it.

[supersandor]

You tried and you failed. I'm sure dezzielightbulb thinks he successfully debunked the 1st law of thermo. The only difference between you 2 is that he failed to debunk something that's probably correct, while you failed to debunk something incorrect, i.e. your task was possible, and dare I say it, EASY, but you botched it all the same. I say it again, half the NRG contained in electromagnetic radiation is in fact stored in its magnetic field. BTW, signal processing was the other topic I passed.

[kilroy1964]

Well done supersandor! Five stars!

The only problem I see here is you haven't explained why the proposed magnetic motors won't work. The proponents may in fact see this as proof that their motors will work (as pseudo scientists tend to do), especially the silly guy wagering his motorbike.

(This is why I made an oversimplified statement intended for people with no background in physics.)

[supersandor]

Well, the intended topic of this video wasn't to denounce "magnetic motors" but to object to the way Desertphile did it, insisting that magnetic fields contain no energy. And can you believe, he responded to a comment of mine a week after I posted this video response STILL insisting magnetic fields contain no energy.

Who cares if the free-energy people see this as a proof of their beliefs? They're going to spend their time trying to make perpetual motion machines with or without imagined proof.

[100roberthenry]

i have made a kids toy but could be used for free energy scaled up, i guess...ive had it running for over three weeks now in my garage...just to test it...why is everyone arguing instead of actually doing something!!!!!!.......wtf.

[BRAIDERMAN]

Oh Oh ! At 2.28 comes that phrase again 'magnetic energy'. I thought 'desertphile' & I had cured you finally of this way of thinking. You should restate the phrase as 'potential energy in a magnetic field' or 'potential energy of a magnetic field'.

[BRAIDERMAN]

Look this video is a complete waste of time ! So far you have spent over a minute talking about what a hypothetical magnetic monopole would do in a magnetic field. Now tell us viewers that a magnetic monopole does not exist, and is a hypothetical abstractiojn in your own mind !

[X00000013]

@ Desertphile, my advice to you is to back off gracefully. walk away with your pants up and keep your crowd.