J. John - Coming to faith

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Comedy

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• christianity
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[emiljaleh]

jesus is alive...hallelujah

[Thegadgetfaneagle]

He talks cobblers. No substance whatsoever. His talks are like disrespecting our inteligence

[lonerook860]

It is a form of proof, based on the lone premise that the universe is consistent - and this has been demonstrated many times. You can choose to live by what you can observe, measure, experience and test, or you can believe in stories. Considering the development of the last 250 years, I think science is a better language of proof than the ridiculous superstitions of countless cultures and their forgotten rituals.

[BassP86]

Do you think science is a proof system or is it limited to only making INFERENTIAL conclusions about NATURAL phenomena?

[lonerook860]

I think that science is a more reliable way, and it is sensible to limit our conclusions to ideas we can test or rationalise through measurement. Superstition and stories are also ways to convey information, but to believe them over what modern science tell us, or to make solid conclusions on them is foolish and arrogant. According to that criteria of proofing I might as well believe in a gingerbread house.

[BassP86]

So are you saying that science is the ONLY way to attain truth or validate anything?

[lonerook860]

If you think that unscientific assumptions are a guide to truth, then that seems rather naive, especially when there is historical data to support a myriad of different faiths across the globe (yet other religions are conveniently overlooked in this regard). I think science, which builds information based on consistent principles and demonstrable empirical evidence, is a far more practical base for creating a consistent model of reality that is as accurate i.e. closest to the truth, as possible.

[BassP86]

Actually Christianity doesn't deny ANY of those. Christianity is a faith that is rooted in what the actual historical data tells us.

Also why are you assuming that a religion has to be scientific to be true?

[lonerook860]

Because it is closed to additional information, or to alternative ideas. It denies practical reason through the belief of miracles, and denies empirical or common sensed verification of knowledge through excusing historical literature that would otherwise be heavily scrutinised as culturally biased and allegorical. Accordingly, the christian worldview is assumptive of truth, and certainly not scientific. This limited worldview enshrines itself in ritualism, and then spreads to another person.

[BassP86]

"Because a search for the truth involves an ongoing assessment of the available information, rather than assuming one has all the answers and then attempting to reel in others." - So how did you come to the conclusion that the Christian worldview is based only on those assumptions and not on a belief based on what the information tells them?