State of the Pulpit - Joel Osteen

none of these guys are perfect including driscoll because they dont preach the WHOLE counsel of God they pick and choose what suits thier agenda.

For example none of these guys address the serious times we are living in or things like the new world order and waking people up to the return of Christ.

Mark you might want to take the advice of Paul...

1Co 2:1 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom.
1Co 2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
1Co 2:4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5 that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Sorry my friend but you misunderstand the context of Paul"s words. He was not suggesting that the Corinthians should not engage in lofty speech or wisdom. He was not telling them to know nothing. He was contrasting his meekness with those in the church who would supplant him. Being intellectual and wise are gifts of the spirit, we should rejoice in the grace of God when we find these things in others. Paul is very hard to understand sometimes, he assumed people study his words and be wise.

When we judge or criticize another person, it says nothing about that person; it merely says something about our own need to be critical.

What is sad is that people feel it necessary to speak about others rather than Jesus. If you feel you need to point out others problems, I hope God expressly told you to do this.

God talks about keys to health & wealth Plus persecution & sacrifice for the gospel.. Plus we have authority over the enemy & sickness . Plus worries,anxiety & cares are to be cast upon the Lord.. What you are really saying Mark is you don't believe in the other scriptures that God also said.. you make the mistake of many preachers & ignore some parts of the Word & push another part that seems to say the opposite. Sad to see you fall in this trap of naming preachers as well. Sad Bro, sad

Give him a break! That Bible of his is all over the place contradicting itself.

Yeah, so the apostle Paul who suffered much from time to time wasn't living in total victory? Say that to Paul, Joel!

but is that which may be true lacking its complete form really truth? In the court of law if one were to withhold evidence would it not be a crime? That is the equivalent to what Joel Osteen says. because of that Mark Driscoll is right in his assesment on Osteen. Im sure Mark has observed more than that two minute clip.

Then what do we do with the prophets, Jesus, the Apostles? I don't know Mr. Olsteen, but I do know from what I have seen that is not the gospel. the Bible as an entirety is the gospel: depravity, suffering, loss, sacrafice, blood (lots of it), loss of relationships, etc. But in all of that we have the life, death and ressurection of Jesus of Nazareth. And no, Jesus did not die for us alone, but for His glory first and foremost. Also his brothers thought he was crazy!!! JO may preach truth