ORIGINS OF THE SECRET RAPTURE DOCTRINE

History of the Secret Pretribulation Rapture Doctrine. Proving its recent origin.

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[Eromhsa1]

Paul, unless you think he was false too, said the saints would be "caught up" into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. He said to comfort the saints with THESE WORDS, NOT with words of going through the outpouring of God's wrath, as that would hardly comfort anyone! It is Not the Holy Spirit, as some teach that will be removed, but the body of Christ, and THEN "shall that wicked (one) be revealed"

whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth.

[martinthezman]

@Eromhsa1 Paul "comforted" the Christians who were worried that because their loved ones had died, they had missed the Kingdom. Paul taught the DEAD in Christ would be in the first resurrection, and then the Living Saints would meet them in the air. He also explained that day would not come until the man of Sin was revealed first.



[Eromhsa1]

So, are you saying this quote is false? Even if Ephraem changed his mind later, it still proves that the rapture notion PRECEDES the time you give it.

[martinthezman]

@Eromhsa1 The quote wasn't from the man, it is pseudo. But in the same sermon he teaches that the Antichrst comes first, Christians suffer during tribulation, and that Christ gathers his elect when he comes to judge the antichrist. I actually think the term "Tribulation" is a miss translation, or he meant WRATH as in the viles of wrath. Antichrist is not the Wrath of God, he is the wrath of the devil, against the church.

[martinthezman]

@ave383 YOu know a person has accepted another spirit and another gospel when they reject the Apostle Paul, and the many books of the New Tesatment he has written. You know, you must also REJECT LUKE, for he wrote about Paul's conversion and work in ACTS, and you must REJECT PETER, since he said the writings of Paul were Scriptures!!!! Repent and ask the Lord to save you from your strong delusion.

[martinthezman]

@ave383 I have many many commentaries, some hundreds of years old, NONE OF THEM say that Paul wrote Peter. In fact the whole writing style is different. Peter wrote Peter. Because you believe false doctrines, you must reject almost the WHOLE New Testament, everything from Peter, Luke and Paul! And not only that, CHURCH HISTORY TOO. Sad, repent, cast away your error and trust in Jesus the Son of GOD alone for your salvation.

[BiGMANJOE32]

Wow a lot of people burning in hell for this

[chadro777]

@Eromhsa1 Also look at the 1st teacher of posttrib doctrine it is the "Apostle John" , it is believed all the way up to the 1800's. Read the word read Matthew 24 real carefully and let God speak to you.

[chadro777]

@Eromhsa1 You can say that, but just remember the 3 Hebrew boys caught in the fire God didn't take them out of the fire he was with them. Remember the Great Flood, God didn't take Noah out of the flood, he told him to prepare and was with him. Remember Daniel in the Lion's Den, He didn't save Daniel from the lions den HE was with him. Remember Job, he didn't pull him out of his crisis, he was with him. We will be here and GOD will be WITH us during the Tribulation.

[AmericanCryer]

@martinthezman No one has, or will miss the kingdom. Jesus said in two different texts that the kingdom of God is within us all! These can be found in Luke 17:21 and Gospel of Thomas 1:3.

[BePreparedNews]

America is Babylon and if you don't want to catch the plagues said in Rev 18, 2 esdras 15&16 then flee. Repent and seek the most high meaning read the bible for yourself come out of religion

[BePreparedNews]

Their is no rapture! The Most High said FLEE from the land of the north. Zec 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. The Rapture doctrine is False

[ooDuckey01]

@Eromhsa1 They will be caught up. At Christ's coming. Not at some secret rapture before. The saints don't get the wrath of God, obviously, but God will protect the faithful through that time. But The number of the fallen will be complete, there will still be martyrs before Christ comes to stop it. Whne the world loses faith in Christ's coming, when the gospel is out in the whole world, then Christ comes and a rapture takes people up as the wicked perish.