White House Attacks Howard Dean, Coddles Lieberman

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After conceding and capitulating to Joe Lieberman, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs attacks Howard Dean.

Read more about it here--
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/gibbs-lashes-back-at-dean_n_394596.html

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[Codger45caliber]

I own property (land), which should be as good as gold in retaining actual value, but unfortunately, with property, the government can always choose to take to take it away/seize it for itself.

As for the obamacare bill, the truth is, if it were a bill that would reduce healthcare costs and increase healthcare efficiency, it would have attracted 100 votes from the senate.

[bb44332211]

The 2010 election is now just 290 days away.

[newjerseydev]

@Codger45caliber untrue. If it lowered profits for insurance companies i doubt it would have garnered republican support. republicans bankrupted this country pumping money into...forget it. Read up on crony capitalism. true conservatives/libertarians loath the GOP even more than they do the dems.dems tax and spend for the perceived good of the people wile the GOP borrow and spend for the good of the few. halliburton and blue cross sure ate well during the bush years

[nirbija]

@Trommylee Right! Government-run health care system are inclined to gouge less.

However, such systems tend to be less innovative.

So the trick is to have systems with a balance between innovation and cost containment, while keeping an open eye for the criminals who are always looking practice thievery, BOTH in government and private sector.

[Trommylee]

@nirbija my guess is that your health care monopoly doesn't gouge because it's controlled by the government and the people. such isn't the case south of your border. here, monopolies gouge precisely because they're not peopled by individuals with a conscience. we will always be many steps behind U because money drives most political debates here, therefore there will be no National Health Care system in my beloved country.

[Trommylee]

@nirbija if U look at the prefix in the word 'monopoly' you will see that 'mono' means ONE. the only monopolies the government seems to exercise is that of war making and the erosion of our civil liberties with stuff like the Patriot Act. and i must admit they exercise those monopolies like idiots. but when discussing the heath care issue the word monopoly takes on its true meaning: ONE company controlling the market, eliminating choice altogether. that's not capitalism the way i was taught.

[Trommylee]

@Codger45caliber your comment assumes that even Republicans are interested in governance. that's miles from true. in addition there are plenty of Democrats who wouldn't have voted for the best bill man could create because they're beholden to the insurance/drug companies. the sole agenda of Republicans is to see Obama fail; they have no willingness to even participate in a debate and have input of their own. They are simply 'The Party of NO', nothing more.

[nirbija]

@boorens18

I think that you are misreading my pragmatic position on 'need to have the VOTES'! Just having fancy proposals is not enough!

Whatever Rep Grayson is for, I'm on-board.

However, unless the US Senate goes to simple majority on legislation, there are going to be obstacles from the self-loathing & pain in the behind democrats.

There would have been public option & Medicare buy-in, if that traitor lie-berman was a true democrat & not being a sellout to the ins companies in Connecticut

[boorens18]

How about this? How about Alan Graysons proposed HR 4789 bill. Its 4 pages....nice and simple. Its basically a medicare buy-in.

How about this bill? Are you in favor for this?

[nirbija]

@boorens18

I have no 'problem with the public option'!

Only, the votes are not there for a public option!

The aim of the trouble making republicons is to create so much heat & smoke that nothing gets done; so that the voters will next time around blame the party in power for not delivering much

And Obama, wisely, wants to avoid the time-wasting disruption & distraction at the present time in order to accomplish something for Americans

Public option can be added in the future

[boorens18]

@nirbija Dude...are you not listening? A monopoly does not apply to socialization. A monopoly is buy definition an exclusive right to distribute and/or produce. The government BY DEFINITION is the representitive for ALL citizens. Therefore, socialization is in essence giving the rights to ALL citizens equally. Its the exact opposite of a monopoly. With the present healthcare there is NO COMPETITION. There is a state by state monopoly. What is your beef with the public option exactly?

[nirbija]

Come on now!

Let's not get too hifalutin with unnecessary appeal 'social sciences' distraction

Just learn the prefix in word 'monopoly' & you will come to understand that monopoly can apply to BOTH government entities and to private entities

With present Health Care Bill, there is MORE COMPETITION; old monopolistic opportunities no longer exist.

Citizens are allowed CHOICES in the health care exchanges; so foolish & greedy executives will easily price themselves out of the market

New day, baby!