Ron Paul - family values

Presidential candidate Ron Paul discusses American family values.

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[sweet161402]

You can pray to youself to God.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

Well of course a message from God would be doubtable. But as long as it was completely believable to the point of no doubt, I would obey. But to assume that the request is evil, I would think of the means and the result to be evil also. If God was a god of his word, then the result would be good; therefore, the means are good.

It's like murder.

Murder almost usually applies to humans, Killing animals is no different, Execution is also not different; the intentions are different.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

Well of course a message from God would be doubtable. But as long as it was completely believable to the point of no doubt, I would obey. But to assume that the request is evil, I would think of the means and the result to be evil also. If God was a god of his word, then the result would be good; therefore, the means are good.

It's like murder.

Murder almost usually applies to humans, Killing animals is no different, Execution is also not different; the intentions are different.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

Hitler thought the means to the end result was "good", because he thought that the result were to be good. I would try to stop my neighbor from sacrificing their child, because I don't see a good result.

But if a God comes out of nowhere and says "Hey look, your neighbor is doing a good thing. Please trust me", then I would have faith that the result be "good". I might still think that the means are iffy, because of the danger, but a miracle would convince me otherwise.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

I would do something horrible only if I had faith that the outcome would be better. But when the result is good, then how would you say that the means were bad? Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son, all in good faith that God knew what he was doing.

Witnessing something like that, I would try to stop them at any cost. I would stop an insane ritualistic neighbor.

But if it was made known to me by God himself, I would have no problem with it, because there would be no doubt.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

I believe that people will find happiness if they actually try to.

Honestly, if my next door neighbor cared about a happy family that much, yet didn't want adoption to be an alternative, then I can't see why it would be immoral for a guy to have a child with another woman. Some women go to sperm banks, yet their husbands and family turn out OK. There should be no guilt in the pursuit of happiness.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

When Sarah got fed-up with Hagar, she kicked Hagar and her son out of the tribe; and like I said, Abraham had to respect that decision.

Now imagine an all-powerful God tells you to sacrifice your son. Lets say that you go through with it and your beloved son is spared. Despite the horrible situation, your faith has saved you and your son. Your faith is then made into an example for all people to follow. I don't understand how that's a horrible thing.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

Hagar wasn't a sex slave; she was a slave from Egypt, but she was given to Sarai to be more of a maid-type person. Abraham and Sarah both wanted a child, so Sarah consented him to have sex with Hagar to get a child through her. Sarah was envious of Hagar, because she was treated as a queen, because she were to be the mother of a Prince. If anything, that just shows us the treatment of slaves in Hebrew society. Technically, Hagar was Sarah's slave, and Abraham had to respect that.

[alexross8]

@EqualAndFree

Actually, Abraham had only one wife "Sarai", which later became "Sarah". They wanted to have a baby together, but Sarah couldn't give birth. They both agreed that he should sleep with her slave to have a baby. It was consensual, and Abraham didn't have any actual feelings for Hagar. God wanted to make an example of Abraham's faith by telling him to sacrifice his son. He was able to sacrifice his son, but God prevented him from doing it, and instead gave him a lamb to sacrifice.

[Kilshot666]

@hectorsalinasisback I'm not religious in any means, but I do agree that a lot of politicians rally the retarded masses with talk of, "God." Ron Paul is above that.