ERVs and the Nested Hierarchy

Debunking an attempted refutation by creationists to the ERV sequences that clearly demonstrate evolution and

common descent.

Videos mentioned:

"How Evolution Is Scientific Part 2: Accurate Predictions" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPIUjDvU0oM
cdk007's "Evidence for Evolution, Part III" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI
DonExodus's "Irrefutable Proof of Evolution - Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0
phoenixshade3's "a01011399's ERV Challenge: Do ERVs Support Evolution?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNCDm-4tiQ
standup4REALscience's "Evolution is REAL Science #3" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbh1P6DW5I

My source for the information on HERV-K-GC1:

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2801%2900227-5

Category:

Education

Tags:

• science
• evolution
• creation
• intelligent
• design
• erv
• dna
• retrovirus
• ervs
• virus
• genes
• functional
• debate
• endogenous
• viral
• gene
• genetic
• darwin
• darwinism
• evolutionism

[Answerquestions1]

All your are showing is that evolution is unfalsifiable, everytime something hapens to be inconsisten with the tree pttern predicted by evolution, you will use this kind of excuses.

mammals do not share ervs with other classes of animals this is why we will never find an ERV in ducks chimps but not in humans.

[shanedk]

@Answerquestions1 No, LIAR, this doesn't "happen to be inconsistent," it ISN'T INCONSISTENT!

"mammals do not share ervs with other classes of animals"

Yes they absolutely do!

"this is why we will never find an ERV in ducks chimps but not in humans."

WRONG: Evolution HAPPENED, and that's why we will never find an ERV in ducks chimps but not in humans--because it violates the nested hierarchy--but we WILL find ERVc in chimps and humans AND ducks!

[Answerquestions1]

@shanedk

please show me an orthologs erv that mammals share with other classes.

btw, ervs that humans lack have been found in chimps and monkeys. so you can no longer use ´´recnt incertion´´ as an excuse (as you did in your video)

[shanedk]

@Answerquestions1 For HUNDREDS of examples, across aves, mammals, crocodiles, and many other large-scale groups, see "Distribution of Endogenous Retroviruses in Crocodilians," Journal of Virology, 83(19): 10305-10308 (in particular, Fig. 1 on page 10306)

[Answerquestions1]

@shanedk

the article does not mention any shared orthologs erv between mammals and other classes

[shanedk]

@Answerquestions1 It most certainly does! Look at the figure I mentioned.

[shanedk]

@Answerquestions1 Here's another source: "Viruses and the evolution of life" by Luis P. Villarreal

From p.335: "Overall, we see evidence of lineage-specific ERV colonization in all vertebrates, well before the evolution of placental species. These early ERV colonizers are still maintained, typically in small numbers. Additionally, much more numerous and specific ERV colonization events have occurred...species lineages can be distinguished on these later ERV colonizations."

[Answerquestions1]

@shanedk

he article mentions shared ervs between different classes, but they say nothing about being orthologs.

from the article:

´´The data generated here could assist future studies aimed at identifying orthologous and paralogous ERVs among crocodilians.´´

to me the quote is saying that the researchers where not even looking for orthologs ervs

[iwanttocrashmybike]

Sounds like Kermit XD

[hamzah938]

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