Ligeti - Artikulation

In the 70's, Rainer Wehinger created a visual listening score to accompany Gyorgy Ligeti's Artikulation. I scanned the pages and synchronized them with the music. Enjoy!

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[Vincent Wikström]

I think it's very beautiful. And where do you hear "random noises"? The sounds are highly structured. Maybe it's the lack of loop based figures/repetitions that you miss?!

[marcopivet]

let me drop some acid and return in 40 min

[jgilgorri]

Well, you often have to specify your frame of reference whenever you make a statement (if only implicitly), so that may be context. As for meaning, only in speech (an imperfect representation of ideas) do you require context. What you are saying does not need context, context simply aids someone else's understanding.

IOW, the meaning of a word does not require context. Context simply aids a second party's understanding of that word. The word has meaning independent of their understanding.

[FernieCanto]

Since when am I talking about spirituality? I'm talking about context. Meaning is ENTIRELY dependent on context. Being, as far as I can see, is not.

[jgilgorri]

Being IS meaning. If you're looking for something deeper, some sort of spiritual meaning, then you're looking for something that does not exist.

[FernieCanto]

"Convey", "show", "indicate" and "signify" are entirely dependent on context, as well as the person who's "receiving" that meaning, and many other factors. Science is concerned with facts, evidence, causes and consequences, things that are not dependent on what people think or believe. Saying a tree "means" a complex process is not science, it's just speculation. Once you try to PROVE it, it becomes science and ceases being about "meaning", but about BEING.

[jgilgorri]

To mean, according to the Merriam Webster English Dictionary:

2: to serve or intend to convey, show, or indicate; signify

"A red sky means rain."

[FernieCanto]

Sorry if English happens to be your 5th or 6th language, but you're stretching the word "mean" beyond all possible limits of human imagination. Don't forget, for one, that meaning is entirely dependent of context. Also, don't forget that there is not one sole, universal musical theory. "Rhythm", "tempo" and "scale" are specific to a very, very limited and strict music theory. Besides, you CAN write "Artikulation" in classical notation if you want to; it's purely a matter of convention.

[jgilgorri]

Well, that depends on what the word "mean" means (Clinton isn't the only one who can pull that trick lol).

A Tree means that there are sophisticated processes which lead to the Tree's existence. These processes can be studied (Dendrology).

A Musical Piece means that there is an ordered way to place notes to create emotional reactions, either positive or negative. This can be studied (Music Theory).

The above, however, can not be studied musically. There is no rhythm, tempo, or even scale used.

[FernieCanto]

What kind of Science is concerned with the "meaning" of things? As far as I am aware, the most current models for the Universe reckon that it's pretty much meaningless. Any "meaning" there is to it is merely a projection of our human mind.

[jgilgorri]

Not really. They're weird fuckers lmao I wouldn't be surprised if they enjoyed this shit.

[FernieCanto]

It's funny when you realise that Rammstein wouldn't exist if it weren't for "this crap". Ligeti, as well as folks like Xenakis, Stockhausen and other more obscure names, stand at the very foundation of the electronic music that Rammstein took their cues from. "This crap" paved the way to Giorgio Moroder, Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk and so on; and I may be speculation here, but I bet Rammstein finds "this crap" really cool. That's hilarious, isn't it?