Re: John MacArthur and Doubting Your Salvation

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[playdohjunkie]

Thank you! You said exactly what I was thinking. Andrew seems to be riding in on John's star for attention as someone with discernment but Andrew fails epically. I was just watching a vid where John admits there are errors somewhere in his teachings but he doesn't know where they are but he is always on the look out for them. THAT is humility and a striving to know in excellence the perfect thoughts of God while knowing you may err in the process.

[Super778]

to combat within his life. The sacrifice of Christ is meant for creation as a whole not just for humanity (Romans 8:22). substitutionary atonement however is incredibly human centered. This is not to say that it is wrong because it is not, it is truth, but it is not truth in and of itself. It is a part but not the whole like may seem to treat it. What you have written I do appreciate. Thank you. Know that I do believe that the blood if Jesus is important. Just not as polopowers1 argues it.

[Super778]

is to rob the cross of its power, and to rob us of our hope. Christ's sacrifice was more than a get out of jail free card. It was a act done to liberate us and the world from sin and death. The sacrifice of Christ is far more than we give it credit for. My problem with polopowers1 was his inability to see this fact. While we are God's crowning achievment in creation but we are not his only creation. This type of bible interpretation is very human centered which is something Christ himself tries

[Super778]

meant to empower the people of God in a way that they had never been empowered before. Atonement theology is NOT just substitutionary atonement, nor is it the MOST important atonement theology. I have a tendency to see atonement in a very liberationist kind of way, am I wrong? Am I wrong to believe that the sacrifice of Christ while meaning to rectify our relationship with God is also meant to liberate us from sin and death? Can you have one without the other? No you cannot and to say you can

[Super778]

I am not in disagreement with what you have written here. I would however stress that what you have written can be stated in many different ways. To you it seems the sin of Adam is passed down seminally or relationally. I would say that Paul makes it clear in Ephesians 1-3 that sin and death are tyrants over all of creation. Therefore the blood of Christ was spilt to liberate us from sin and death, not just to justify us to God. To have one without the other is to miss the point. The Kingdom is

[HermitintheRain]

Jesus did indeed have human blood, without which he could not be the rightful redeemer of his people according to the Law.

This is the mystery as Paul revealed in 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

But what is impossible to me:

Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

[HermitintheRain]

As the example given when Paul speaks of the Levites giving tithes to Melchizedek when Abraham gave him gifts after returning to rescue Lot. The Levites being in the bosom of Abraham in his seed gave tithes. When Adam sinned, all descendants of Adam sinned in Adam. By law of redemption as spelled out in the Torah, there needed to be a man qualified to redeem him. As Revelation shows, when they looked for who was worthy to open the seals of the book-only the Lamb of God was found worthy.

[HermitintheRain]

The blood of Jesus Christ is indeed important. The book of Hebrews goes into this in chapter 9 (contextually should take in all of 7-10). The purpose of the Levitical system was to serve as a shadow/type of the coming redemption in the Lamb of God. The key to this topic is climaxed in Hebrews 9:14. The importance of Jesus being born of the Holy Spirit and by the seed of the woman should not be missed. When Adam sinned, we who are descendants of Adam, being in Adam as his seed, sinned in Adam.

[Super778]

I never said I was the righteous one. I am saying however that I am not going to try and make conjectures based upon logical reasoning. I am going to base my theology wholly and comletely upon the word of God. I am not going to waste my time with ideas or theology's that have no grounding in scripture. All I am trying to say is know your limits, don't try to understand things you weren't meant to comprehend. If the issue of the blood of Christ is so huge than the apostles would have written onit

[polopowers1]

Never attacked you just challenged your theology but your the righteous one?