Antinatalism vs Antihumanism

A brief synopsis of antinatalism versus antihumanism, with some important distinctions between the two philosophies and where I stand.

(Note: Sorry about the audio cutting out at several points. It's only a few seconds loss but it is noticeable.)

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

In video 02, Jack Albert will discuss the need to slash global population now.

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• antinatalist
• antinatalism
• antihumanism
• neoantinatalism
• neoantihumanism
• human
• humanity
• pain
• suffering
• voluntary
• extinction
• life
• nature
• dna

[DerivedEnergy]

''My instinct goes against it, my emotions go against it.''

Your instincts and emtions are not to be trusted.

[DoNotCiv]

@DerivedEnergy Oh please. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm not into that. The determinant of value is composed of more than just logic. It also comprises instinct, feelings, emotions, and other senses. If I stuck you with a sharp stick your willing to say that would NOT influence your judgment? C'mon. Go tell that bullshit to the tourists.

[tranquil87]

You seem to be *anti-humanity*, which is just being a misanthrope. Antihumanism has nothing to do with this.

[DoNotCiv]

@tranquil87 I'm for quality not quantity, creating better humans not more of them.

[DerivedEnergy]

@DoNotCiv 'If I stuck you with a sharp stick your willing to say that would NOT influence your judgment?''

About what? It would certainly influence my judgement of what kind of person you are but it wouldn't convince me that you can deprive future generations of happiness.

''The determinant of value is composed of more than just logic.''

I agree. That's why I'm not a moral nihilist.

[DoNotCiv]

@IdaMiaDot It's a composite problem to be sure. But I'm less concerned about long term storage (which requires about 100,000 years) than getting the fuel cooled in the fuel pools and to the LT storgage sites. One cooling pool in the midwest contains more radioactive cesium than all the nuclear bombs ever detonated by the US. It's a huge problem. We are on thin ice should a disaster like flood, hurricane, volcano, earthquake etc. destroy the cooling water system. F.U.C.K.E.D. actually.

[IdaMiaDot]

@DoNotCiv I would estimate that clean water, crop, oil etc shortage will secure our failure more so than the after-effects of nuclear waste.

Nuclear waste may only require quarantin for a few centuries before the science necessary to dispose of it properly is developed (assuming our scientific advancement isn't stunted).

[DoNotCiv]

@filrabat "you by default inserted youself into the debate." Yes, I guess I did. But mainly I was trying to distinguish myself from (what I viewed as) the AN position, and at the same time call out the similarities and ways that AH overlaps. As you said there are different factions. I don't think any one person can be the designated spokesman, let alone the patron saint of AN, so I don't expect a one stop shop for "the party platform and position." But I will keep an open mind on the issue.