Quantum Physic Theory

Something from nothing from Dr.Fred Alan Wolf (Dr. Quantum Presents: A User's Guide to Your Universe)

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[moonsdad]

@looncraz Our miscommunication is due to a phase difference in the definition of an observer. An observation is not merely the reception of stimulus, but an increase in consciousness. You can see something without observing it, for example. What I'm saying is that on the quantum level the inherent structure--as you call it--IS the observer. Think about Newtons third, and then on this: the essence of consciousness is communication of self to self.

[looncraz]

@moonsdad The observer at the quantum level has some effect, beyond that the effect is minimal - if not entirely overridden by inherent structure.

Any desire to put a greater importance on the observer than what results from the physical observation has no merit. Observing is an action, but is a force-less one for the most part. The physical effect comes from the absorption of waves emitting from the scene (light/sound/radiation/etc...)­.

Way too much emphasis on the observer effect!

[moonsdad]

There is not nothing in the forest. Every atom is a thing.

[moonsdad]

@looncraz When you understand the thing in existence as an observer of its own existence, then the essential effect of an observer on existence becomes clear. And Newtons 3rd becomes more intuitive.

[bobbfwed]

@TennesseeNinja I have that shirt, it's from the international spy museum.

[gorodph]

@untilidie33 No. There is no sound in the forest until there is an ear.

[looncraz]

@AxelDM That is a common mistake: the observer plays NO part in existence - merely the interpretation of it... which means the observer is only important to our understanding of existence as it relates to us - but is not important to existence at all - everything would still be here even if nothing was here to observe it. The form, however, COULD possibly be slightly different, but that depends on whether the observer effect is limited to the measurement rather than the environment itself...

[AxelDM]

@looncraz I had the same hang up for awhile. You just have to understand that time is not linear, it is simply another force, just like gravity. it flows but without contrast, no one would know how fast or how slow. therefor a observer is not something that is created THEN observes. if at anytime within a universe there in an observer. then that universe IS. The absence or nothingness, does not work like anything you can observe with in this realm, if you did then it WOULD exist.

[blake81088]

@felixthegato80 yes.

[daniel987878]

@untilidie33 Hitler.