The Experiment That Debunked Materialism

"So, what is the message of the quantum? I suggest we look at the situation from a new angle. We have learned in the history of physics that it is important not to make distinctions that have no basis -- such as the pre-Newtonian distinction between the laws on Earth and those that govern the motion of heavenly bodies. I suggest that in a similar way, the distinction between reality and our knowledge of reality, between reality and information, cannot be made. There is no way to refer to reality without using the information we have about it." ~Anton Zeilinger, inventor of quantum teleportation,


References:
1.) "A Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser"
Yoon-Ho Kim, R. Yu, S.P. Kulik, Y.H. Shih, Marlan O. Scully
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9903047

Other notable links:

Quantum Physics Vs. Naive Realism Parts 1&2:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpRE0adOpk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gd5FklL5OM

The Quantum Conspiracy: What Popularizers of QM Don't Want You to Know
(ignore the dorky sounding title it's actually a good lecture)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc

It from Qubit (by David Deutsch):
http://193.189.74.53/~qubitor/people/david/structure/Documents/Research%20Pap...

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[AlainG80]

This video might debunk historical materialism, but does nothing for example for eliminative materialism or any other post historical materialism.

Johanan what's the reason you still make these video's? For me it's like listening to Christian apologists, who claim that logical positivism debunked means that pre-modernism is true. They probably don't understand post positivism.

[JohananRaatz]

@AlainG80 Well I'd agree that it's nothing "non-natural." Though in a context where matter is gone, it would be a bit difficult to draw a demarking line between "natural" and "non-natural" anyway.

I make them because it opens up fun cans of worms when you add things like the Simulation Argument or Whiteheadian monistic idealism into the mix. Though I'm planning actually to be making videos on other things in a bit -politics, the drake equation, CDT, quantum biology etc.

[Stringprodigy]

We're living in the Matrix my friend. :)

[AstralEtheric]

If consciousness is a ‘epi-phenomena’ of material reality then consciousness will be found to have no special position within material reality. Whereas conversely, if consciousness precedes material reality then consciousness will be found to have a special position within material reality.

Consciousness is found to have a special, even central, position within material reality.

Therefore, consciousness is found to precede material reality.

[IoPizzaPlanet]

@XSilvenX LOL, you wish! This is mainstream physics now. Materialism is dead, get your head out of the 1800's. Go look up Alain Aspect's experiments.

[JohananRaatz]

@XSilvenX "manipulate and skew science" "we're at "one" with the universe" "that consciousness is greater than any one of us"

That isn't what's being claimed though. What's being claimed is quantum mind theory, Orch-OR (which is held by major scientists -Penrose, Hameroff, Zizzi et al) and that the universe is informational rather than material at bottom, "It from bit" (also held by major scientists -Smolin, Wheeler, Zeilinger et al) -and the direct conclusions that come from these.

[XSilvenX]

@doubtingBob Thank you for being the only logical person in this gross misrepresentation of the complexities of quantum physics. People, will often manipulate and skew science to favor their own beliefs; in this case, a sense that we're at "one" with the universe and that consciousness (whatever that means) is greater than any one of us. The annoying metaphysical aspect applied to physical science, especially one as baffling as quantum physics is somewhat inevitable however.

[JohananRaatz]

@doubtingBob "evidence for..."

The same as Zizzi's or Hameroff's when I emailed him about it -Universal Orch-OR.

"consciousness... without a brain"

In any system that is isolated from the environment long enough to allow for Orch-OR. Just ask Hameroff.

"Please indicate evidence for this."

It's called the observer effect.

"unscientific"

I'm not a scientist, but I do have a background in science and my assertions aren't unscientific. Everything I have I can back up.

[am101171]

I like your videos and I find the message interesting, not that I agree or disagree. I thought today about this video, and I was pondering the idea that the electrons are always particles, then the difference is on the distribution of their trayectories and how the electrons trajectories seem to be guided differently when observed, if looked at it this way, the effect could still be hapenning at the speed of light when the background screen is removed.

[doubtingBob]

@KTK401 So what is Mr. Raatz's evidence for universal consciousness? I understand perfectly what the video is stating and no evidence for a universal consciousness was provided. A brain is required for consciousness. No brain means no consciousness. Can you provide examples of where consciousness exists without a brain? Please indicate evidence for this. Assertions without evidence are meaningless and unscienentific. Mr. Raatz's assertions are unscientific. Mr. Raatz is not a scientist.

[KTK401]

@carlsonap16 Yes, this is a very well known experiment, as pointed out in the video.

regards

[KTK401]

@JohananRaatz I was just thinking that before I got your message! :)

Also, yes you are right, but he keeps spamming my inbox, I was just toying with him.

Anyway, lets get back on track.

I enjoyed your recent comments on this thread!