Dr. Keith Ward lectures on the shallow nature of the so-called New Atheists (like Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris).
Yes many people were indeed very obstinate and arrogant in times of the middle ages in ways that got in the way of progress. That is another characteristic of the people of that time that we should NOT emulate. There is no excuse to not be rigorous and fair. If you honestly think the time for honest argument is over, and it's time to pull out the clubs to get through our "thick skulls" then you have become the monster you hate. I will reason with you and I will keep an open mind, lets talk.
@Jugglable That is absolutely false. I promise you. With a masters degree I can assure you that you will not find any philosophical textbook that makes the claim that theism is a form of deism. If you believe that, then you have to back it up with facts.
@Nodelusionnow Yeah ofcourse, I as a Christian believe in a 'invisible sky wizard'.... Go and read a "Philosophical" heavy weight book like The God Delusion if you love it so much. There are arguments for Gods existence, if you don't find them convincing, then okey, but stop your ridicule and try to build a rational case without Ad-Hominem.
just a thought, if humans but had another sense, that "saw" as much as our eyes, we'd likely solve this and many other debates
gr8vibes2 3 months ago
Keith Ward for the win.
gr8vibes2 3 months ago
Yes many people were indeed very obstinate and arrogant in times of the middle ages in ways that got in the way of progress. That is another characteristic of the people of that time that we should NOT emulate. There is no excuse to not be rigorous and fair. If you honestly think the time for honest argument is over, and it's time to pull out the clubs to get through our "thick skulls" then you have become the monster you hate. I will reason with you and I will keep an open mind, lets talk.
thirdcreed 4 months ago
@Killer0fTheSun
Just another way to try and split people up Id say.
Stupid people in large groups are dangerous. But Intelligent people in a sizable group would be catastrophic to their cause.
Marazish 4 months ago
@thirdcreed
Last i heard it was because a bunch of nuts went out and burned heretics a books.
around that time, people were dieing from the plague because it was "unchristian" to try and figure out how to treat the wound.
Didn't we lose like 2/3'rds of our population?
It seems medicine is an uphill battle but once the research is complete, everybody is willing to use it if it will save their life.
Marazish 4 months ago
@Marazish Dark ages were the result of poor arguments, people stopped trying to seek the truth fairly. Never be on the side of unreasonableness.
thirdcreed 4 months ago
@leidenhag
The times in general are less supportive of sophisticated actions, but more to the heart of the issue,
One needs a large club to get threw a thick skull.
Hundreds or thousands of years of "I told you so's", evidence, and even proof, have us standing in this situation.
anyways It's time to just decide we don't want to wait around and let religion to continue holding us back any longer.
They had their turn, It was called the dark ages; Not exactly a shining example of prosperity.
Marazish 5 months ago
Ah! You're right.
Jugglable 6 months ago
@Jugglable That is absolutely false. I promise you. With a masters degree I can assure you that you will not find any philosophical textbook that makes the claim that theism is a form of deism. If you believe that, then you have to back it up with facts.
leidenhag 6 months ago
@Nodelusionnow Yeah ofcourse, I as a Christian believe in a 'invisible sky wizard'.... Go and read a "Philosophical" heavy weight book like The God Delusion if you love it so much. There are arguments for Gods existence, if you don't find them convincing, then okey, but stop your ridicule and try to build a rational case without Ad-Hominem.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago 2