Ari Berman, author of new book Herding Donkeys: The Fight to Rebuild the Democratic Party; and Marshall Ganz, expert on community organizing and the guiding light of Obama's organizing dimension of the 2008 campaign, discuss Berman's book and politics in America. In Part 4 Marshall and Avi discuss how the approach to leadership and organizing is scaled up to reach and engage thousands of participants. Conversation recorded at the Harvard Cooperative Society, Cambridge, MA 02138 on October 18, 2010
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