[mirror] TheRationalizer chats with Muslim proselytisers

This video was uploaded by TheRationalizer on 04.05.2011. This is his video description:

"I met some nice guys up town proselytising their religion, Islam. We've exchanged a few emails and eventually decided to have a video chat instead in which his friend was going to prove to me the supernatural origin of the Quran and thus that I should become a Muslim.

My notes here as promised in the video.

12 min : Life forms which do not breathe oxygen
http://tinyurl.com/HydrogenLifeOnEarth

13 min: Proof of the introduction of free oxygen
http://tinyurl.com/WhereOxygenCameFrom

55 min: The bible calls the sky a canopy
Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

The Quran talks about the heavens being guarded WITH shooting stars, not AGAINST shooting stars:

[067:005] We have embellished the heaven nearest to this world with (numerous) lamps (the stars). We have made this heaven (a means) to bombard the Shaitan with missiles, to drive them away. For them, We have prepared a punishment by the blazing fire.

This is a canopy WELL GUARDED. It is the presence of shooting stars that is the guard, not the guard which protects us from shooting stars as you claimed.

58 Min: Pharaoh

1) Ramses II was found in 1881, it was Merneptah found in 1898.

2) Ramses II was mummified, this book explains how his organs were removed and his body preserved with Natron. In fact just about any book on there about Ramses II will tell you the same thing.

http://tinyurl.com/RamsesIIOrgans


3) Merneptah/Merenptah read page 55
http://tinyurl.com/MerenptahsOrgan

It says his penis was damaged during the embalming process. In fact Bucaille himself describes the body as "The mummified body of Merneptah" (read 5. Pharaoh Merneptah's Mummy) after reading the book of Elliot Smith "The Royal Mummies"

http://tinyurl.com/MerenptahMummified


4) Bucaille's 180 degree u-turn on the Pharaoh

1st book : Quran and science
In this Bucaille says "this examination will be carried out by Professor Mignot and Doctor Durigon. I regret to say that definitive pronouncements cannot be made by the time this book goes to print"

and then
"He most probably died either from drowning, according to the Scriptural narrations, or from very violent shocks preceding the moment when he was drowned-or both at once."


http://tinyurl.com/BucailleConcludesDrowning



2nd book : Moses and Pharaoh in the Bible, Quran and history

"mummy showed that the corpse didn't remain in water for a long time, as it didn't show any signs of complete damage"

Someone has quoted it here arguing in favour of the Quran

http://tinyurl.com/PharaohCanSwim


Book 1: Water damage will prove the Quran right
Book 2: Lack of water damage proves the Quran right


1 hour 17
You claim that evidence of mummification will show this is not a miracle. I assume you now no longer consider this to be a miracle

:-)

1 hour 25 min Haman

Here is an article researched by an atheist I know from Germany.
http://tinyurl.com/HamanHoax

Search for the word "Amun".

Additionally, there is also a Haman in the bible (Book of Ester) who was adviser to the king of Persia. I find it much more credible that Muhammad knew of a man named "Haman" who was an adviser to a leader of a country and confused them when he made up the story.

1 hour 42 : God of the bible ordering the killing of children.

1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

1 hour 48
Variations of Lamusiuna : Abundance, ample, capacity, spacious, encompasing

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=wsE#(51:47:5)


1 hour 52
Naik pretending evaporation is mentioned many times in the Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf5MdwK3M8


Stuff for you to answer
1 hour 54
Did god create all creatures all at once, or many creations at different times, and from which source do you determine your answer?

1 hour 56
Why would god create animals with eyes that do not work.
http://tinyurl.com/BlindMoleRat

There are also various creatures which have eyes, but in caves have lost those eyes.

1 hour 57
Baleen whales grow teeth during embryology, but they disappear before they are born
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baleen_whale

Why would god give them teeth they cannot use (in the womb) and then remove them before they are born and can use them?

Is there a point to doing this, or does god do pointless things?"

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