The Sad State of Education (A Response to "Evilution")

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Education

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• evolution
• creation
• mutation
• natural
• selection
• fundy
• fundie

[LuieB]

hey your voice changed!

[proudjester]

Maybe for the same reason you eat shellfish?

[AtheistYeti]

I know bro, everything in that video he's watching is just a bastardization of information.

[seanturpin01]

Kabane, are you still christian? I saw older videos of you arguing against these things. You had so much intelligence I knew you would eventually find that evolution is valid. Im pleased to see you continued to study and use your brain wisely! :)

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby imagine u spent years making a very complex creation, and u finally completed it. then some one comes along and claims he knows how to operate it and use it in a better manner than you, even though u designed it. U have 2 choices. U could kill the guy, or u could let him try and he would look like an idiot. Wicked people have killed countless millions of people, but Jehovah promises he will give life again to those who have died. If he gives life, its is easy to give it again.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby look at the people that are ruling the nations, they are not good are they? and they think they can rule the earth without Jehovah God. And look how they are ruining the earth. Pollution, famine, disease, crime, violence.. Jah is giving men their chance. And they are influenced by Satan.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 But you still did not answer my questions, even if you believe that earth is ruled by the the "wicked one" why can't he just make the world perfect anyway? Did God create the "Wicked one" or not? Is God NOT all powerful? And who is "the wicked one?" an idea, a lack of something or an actual being?

[coolgreyoneabby]

Science and government are different things. It is science that has cured disease, crated vaccines, developed fertilizers to grow more food, extended lifespans etc. Religion has been around a long time did not extend life or improved infant mortality for thousands of years. Governments are like money, Not intrinsically good or bad, it depends what you do with them. They are both necessary and are good when do good and bad when they do bad.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby the government is responsible for the starving people, the poor people. instead of investing money on helping people, they spend trillions of dollars on war, trying to fly into out of space...then justify it as making the world a better place??

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby Thank you for talking..alot of people just give up, but u asked the right questions. In the bible, it says that God is not ruling the earth, but the wicked one is. That is what the bible is about. That wicked life forms challenged God that we can rule the earth without him. So it is only fair to give people their chance. If someone challenges you against what u know are facts, would u resort to killing them, or would u let them prove their point?

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 So you criticize scientists because they can't make the world perfect, but God can, yet he hasn't. Why not? If he could just make the world perfect as you claim, why allow children to continue to die from starvation and disease ? What is more immoral, not being able to make the world perfect or being able to but not doing it?

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby Personally, i dont see scientists that offer an appealing reward for listening to them. They can't even keep their own life. But Jehovah, the God of the bible, he offers everlasting life in paradise on this very earth. He will destroy the ones ruining the earth. Just as we can make repairs on our house, so to can the creator of the earth repair his creations back to perfection and give them life forever on a beautiful earth. Scientists can NEVER achieve anything close.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby The creator is God. And just as technology evolves from simpler forms, it still requires that one design and create a new model more advanced than the previous. Estimates of humans in their current shape have been on earth for about 7000 years. The bible says that the earth started as just a formless rock. And when the bible mentions 6 days, that is 6 days from God Jehovahs view point, which as indicated in the bible, could really mean thousands of years from our perspective.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 Just so I know what belief system you are discussing, In your view 1) Is this creator God? 2) Were humans created in our present form or did we evolve from a simpler form with the helping hand of the Creator? 3) About how long have human been on earth? 4) how old is the earth? You are free to ask me any question. I'm not afraid of questions on my belief system. My belief system is easy to look up. It is simply the scientific consensus.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby so what i just described to u sounds pretty stupid right? and yet that is the exact manner that evolutionists study the nature around them. and if u just studied the instruction manual and the drawings without having to see the people that made them to begin with, the sooner u can start enjoying that house and its comfort features, and grow to have an appreciation for the people that designed and built the house.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby so bcoz studying the drawings and instruction manual on how to use certain features of the house, like the taps, the stove, the air con, bcoz that didnt appeal to you, u decided to study the grains of sand that make up the structure of the brick and conclude that each grain of sand, on its own, decided to bond together using a certain process, then the bricks decided that they need to form into an enclosed shape, and evolve wooden structures to form doors etc

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby pretty much ur logic is represented in this way. a group of builders build your house. then u refuse to believe ur house was created by them, and that it thus evolved and built itself, because the workers didn't want you to see them, bcoz u didnt even believe the drawings that were presented to you. you looked at the drawings, u didnt understand them, bcoz u havent recieved any ability to read them, and u didnt bother to study to understand them. im not finished yet.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 You misunderstand several points. 1) The government has nothing to do with evolution. Science supports evolution and schools simply teach science. Same way that schools teach math. Government does not "support" addition. 2) In logic, before you can declare X created Y, you first must prove that X exists. Then you must show that something else did not create Y. Maybe evolution created Y. So, no your logic that a greater being had to create us is illogical.

[coolgreyoneabby]

Your thoughts seem all over the place. Lets narrow this down a bit. In your view 1) Is the creator God? Did he create us in our present from or did we evolve from more primitive life? 3) Was this done within the last 20,000 years?

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby Since when did this "super being," "wish," anything into existence? God created the physical universe. And why would u believe anything a human told you? The government lies to you, and they are the ones supporting evolution. We are classified as "creationists" and i believe that just as we create things, we also have a creator. Please tell me that it is not logic that a greater being than us, could also be a creator, if we as lower beings also have ability to create.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 You are making statements that are not supported by evidence. If they were, they would be science. But since a belief in a super being that wished the existence of the creatures on earth today, that is what I call "poofing" into existence. If you have a better description? I'll use that one.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby why do u talk about time? there is no hard evidence to support that time even exists. and what part of the meaning of CREATION involves the word "poof." Use ur thinking abilties rather than believing what someone tells you. I was never in my life told what to believe. And through out my schooling years I was taught evolution. If u believe in evolution, then u have NO LOGIC. If humans evolved, how much more so should simple robots have evolved, rather than being made by humans.

[SwordofSpirit1]

Who the hell cares when time began? I'm guessing it's the one whom hasn't figured out yet that it's really going to hurt when the flames are singing unquenchably forever.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 This is about the tenth time I have seen a creationist say something "is a fact" that is incorrect or merely supposition. Many scientists say that time started 13.8 billion years ago. It also looks like you are now accepting the idea of evolution. And no one said that other life forms didn't evolve that can also create. What is foolish is the notion that all life forms "Poofed" into existence in their present form denying the museums full of earlier life forms.

[coolgreyoneabby]

@thestash16 U R changing the subject. no one said life cannot be bigger than us. Evolution does not put size limits into the theory. Did you watch the video to understand what evolution is about? More importantly, what it is NOT about, many of your earlier misconceptions are covered in the YouTube video: Qualiasoup Evolution.

[thestash16]

@coolgreyoneabby and what is fantasy about creation dude??? humans create things everyday! you see that humans are creators! and then compare again with the fact that life exists into microscopic levels, why wuldnt it exist on bigger and more advanced levels than us? and if we account for the FACT that time is INFINTE! imagine in the infinite time that more advanced forms of life have had a chance to "evolve" as u will. and if humans evolved to create, why didnt the other forms of life also?