Francis Schaeffer - A Christian Manifesto (Part 1 of 3)

Francis Schaeffer's sermon "A Christian Manifesto" on the "Old Time Gospel Hour"

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[RuinSonic]

@grant1r I do have a sense where I agree with Shaeffer in that people aren't interested in God even if they claim to believe in one. Or at least it's not as important since the bible need to be taken literally. But I'm surprised you would say he has an accurate portrayal of secular humanism controlling society.

[grant1r]

@RuinSonic It's not branding, its understanding the cost of believing in the resurrection as true, and not just as some distant heavenly handout with no existential meaning. I am a Fundamentalist, and I worry about my life all the time. Scripture says to "work out your faith with fear and trembling". Definitely not living in a false sense of security, but a sense of responsibility. We'd argue that true happiness is re-integration with God, everything else is false hope.

[grant1r]

@RuinSonic There are lots of voices. Schaeffer is giving a heads up to Christians and where their affiliation really lies beyond all of the table manners and social views. Most Christians can't even explain how Jesus saved them and why it matters. How can they extract solid meaning if they barely touch the surface? I don't know why the words evangelical and republican have become so interchangeable. Timothy Keller is very balanced. Christianity is merely a relic in American culture.

[RuinSonic]

@grant1r "Christianity has the numbers in the US, the culture is anti-Christian."

But that's just re branding your version of Christianity as the only Christianity. Fundamentalists are to care almost exclusively about Christianity while the rest of us worry about our lives. The reality is even fundamentalists worry about their lives and God is there to give them meaning, hope, and comfort to live a happier life where they fear they wouldn't. Everyone wants happiness, not God.

[grant1r]

@RuinSonic I will agree with you about independence, individuality and freedom as the problem of divorce. While Christianity has the numbers in the US, the culture is anti-Christian. No one who takes the resurrection seriously would alienate congregations over political views, take no interest in social and environmental concerns, and hold members through guilt. You just have to watch some movies, listen to some music that is highly accessible and popular to point that out.

[RuinSonic]

Look at 5:00-8:00 and he does describe materialist agnostic/atheists as what a humanist is. They are not the dominant world view at all, like 10% of the world or less. For being esteemed as such an intellect to some, he makes pretty inaccurate claims.

[RuinSonic]

@grant1r Funny thing is many atheists think the exact opposite. There is too much religion dictating our lives. But if secular humanism means not having conservative Christianity in the spotlight than you'd be correct.

I think American individuality and freedom is why we have divorce. Conservatives seem to promote that a lot. Conservatives don't have the moral high ground. Where are the voices speaking against this pseudo-Christian conservatism of greed and selfishness?

[grant1r]

@RuinSonic

Secular humanism is the paradigm by which we are taught through public education. I think Francis Schaeffer's concerns are accurate and understands that it corrodes Christianity from within. God is the measure of all things, not man. Christ calls us to serve God, which involves serving everybody. 20th century American hedonism is the cause for divorce. Incredible how dutiful people like Asians have only 4% divorce rate.

[franknhonest]

I think Schaeffer regretted his alliance with the idiot Falwell towards the end.

[RuinSonic]

@RolandVandermerwe It's actually quite inaccurate to say humanism is the culprit. Even among conservative Christians divorce is high. If he would of said it was simply materialistic or selfish thinking he could of gotten away with an unfalsifiable claim, but what he said is patently false. The vast minority of Americans are humanists. Everyone thinks they are the most important, that is not humanism.