H5N1 Bird Flu Mutations...Should Science be Censored Sometimes?

--World Health Organization is concerned about a mutant bird flu that was created for research purposes, and we discuss whether censoring science ever makes sense.

--On the Bonus Show: FDA approves pneumonia vaccine for adults amidst controversy, child ritualistically sacrificed for better harvest, hundreds of pounds of caviar found in a morgue, more.

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Broadcast on January 2, 2012

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[47f0]

@kamphwagon1 - Yeah. Because Reader's Digest is where I go for all my science news. Sheesh. The 2-headed dogs are well documented, and don't violate any biology at all - if you give a head nutrients and oxygen, it will survive - it's mostly a plumbing problem (although there are long-term neurological issues)

[kamphwagon1]

@47f0 Not hardy fundie Readers Digest ran a article on the Soviet program years ago... and I gusse you didn't remember their two headed dog either eh ...

[47f0]

@kamphwagon1 - Oh bother. The word is "Soviet", dammit and frankly, given your degree of illiteracy, if I'm not "smarter than thou" I've at least managed an education. I'm sure you can find some tin-foil hat sites that make bizarre claims, but viruses do not use "killing toxins". They just don't. And bacteria don't hijack a nucleus to reproduce themselves - the mechanisms just don't exist. Where are you getting this nonsense - Alex Jones?

[kamphwagon1]

@47f0 No but they can be geniticly spliced to produce killing toxins fom each other ,just like BT corn a whole new species that has the potential to wipe the human race out...Btw your smarter than thou attitude won't win you any points for your lack of not knowing anything about the Soveit biological warfare program !.. ROFL

[47f0]

@kamphwagon1 - "anyone knows mamals don't re-produce eraconids".

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Sigh. The word you struggled valiantly for, but failed to produce, is arachnids. Maybe English is not your native language? However, just as you acknowledge that mammals (three 'm's, BTW) cannot produce arthropods, bacteria cannot produce viruses - nor can viruses produce bacteria. They literally have less in common than goats and spiders. You claim to be 67 - but it's never too late for school.

[1231lovelyn]

all hv to say is if the terrorist can get their hands on all the equipment then they can find the way to get documents even if they were made confidential.. Also for ppl like me who do understand these papers would like to read before taking any vaccines..

[kamphwagon1]

@47f0 Maybe not the bacteria but for all practical pourposes it's the same end effect as if the bacteria was present, still small potatoes comparied to what the Soveits produced with genetic spliceing for biological warfare with a combination of bacteria & virus spliceing.. I'm hardy confused about genetic spliceing anyone knows mamals don't re-produce eraconids...

[47f0]

@kamphwagon1 - Yeah, see, here's the problem. No plant produces bacteria. The so-called BT corn produces an insecticidal protein (delta endotoxin) that was taken from Bacillus thuringiensis DNA - but that's absolutely not the same as making a functional bacterium. Similarly, goats have had spider silk DNA introduced into the genes that produce milk - but the goats do not give birth to spiders. You've got some terrifically confused notions about how this stuff works.

[enlightenedone676]

@bballadante And to answer your final question, you have no arguments from me. I disagree ethically with the manufacture of any device that can kill massive amounts of people almost instantly. I would rather die by the hands of one myself, than be even partially responsible for its potential use. People are paranoid and generally insane, especially when they discover how simple it is make these devices and then stockpile them because they fear others might do the same. Insanity.

[enlightenedone676]

@bballadante Widespread vaccinations aren't likely unless the disease somehow enters the population since, as you said, this is man made and not yet occurring naturally. But, your second point doesn't really hold up. Vaccines are always tested before release. If we're talking a 'Contagion' style outbreak and the vaccine is rushed, sure it's possible, but not probable. Modern epidemic/quarantine procedures, are the reason SARS, H1N1 etc. etc. don't live up to their threat levels.