5-11 Church of Christ -VS- Christianity - Debate on Baptism

TO PLAY Dr. Robert Morey's Lecture on

The Doctrinal Errors of the Church of Christ Concerning Baptism and its Relationship to Salvation.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LlsWYf0PEc&feature=PlayList&p=5629B06...
TAP ON LINK BELOW FOR ARTICLES ON BAPTISM
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues/baptism.html
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/coc.html

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Is Baptism Essential For Salvation ?

Representatives of Classic Christianity
Debate with Dr. James Bjornstad & Rev. David Kingdon affirm that:

Remission of sins is obtained by Faith Alone before and apart from Baptism.

Church of Christ Representatives : A Penitent believer must be baptized in order to receive remission of his sins.

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[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform "Fruits of the spirit are meekness,gentleness,kindness," LOL. Don't tell me you are gonna claim Holy Spirit baptism, and the only "fruits" or "results" you can come up with are INVISIBLE and UNPROVEABLE. You're not like the apostles in Acts 2 or Cornelius in Acts 10, are you?

[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform "On the issue of "FRUIT", fruit is not speaking in tongues,raising the dead, Ect." A "fruit" is merely a "resulting action or attribute" - and certainly speaking in tongues, raising the dead, and the like were and would STILL be a result of Holy Spirit baptism.

[USAFreedomReform]

@lllannallll On the issue of "FRUIT", fruit is not speaking in tongues,raising the dead, Ect. Fruits of the spirit are meekness,gentleness,kindness, Ect. Who exactly did you learn the Bible from?

[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform "But I can tell what you are by the "FRUIT" you bear." CERTAINLY! And the "fruit" of Holy Spirit baptism was miracles! Tongue-speaking, dead-raising, snake-bitten miracles, without fail. Mark 16: 9-20 says, "they SHALL" and they DID, but you DON'T. So the fruit ain't there. That's not "judgement" - that's common sense. I'd like to see on what grounds you deny the testimonials for witch doctors - you couldn't.

[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform ""Jerusalem fell in AD70, and Spirit baptism fell with it" WHERE IS THAT IN SCRIPTURE? Joel 2 and Acts 2, among other places. Now, according to Acts 8 and Acts 19, exactly how were the gifts, the manifestations of the Spirit, imparted? By the laying on of apostles' hands - and all the apostles, save one, died before Jerusalem fell. The "last days" of the Jewish economy.

[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform "But I can tell what you are by the "FRUIT" you bear." Same here. And anyone who claims Spirit baptism like Peter and Paul oughta TALK like Peter and Paul, and you never read about them saying, "Nothing you can do, all you have to do is" or claiming that the element and administrator of Spirit baptism are the SAME THING.

[lllannallll]

@USAFreedomReform "You are not in authority to tell me if I have the Holy Spirit or not." I didn't say that: I said you do not have the GIFT of the Holy Spirit spoken of in Acts 2: 38, nor are you "Spirit-baptized." Reception of the gift of the Spirit and Spirit baptism = miraculous manifestions, and you don't have any.

[USAFreedomReform]

@lllannallll "You talk you like you don't have the gift of the Holy Ghost." Absolutely I do not"

According to your understanding,don't you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when you are baptized in WATER? Or is it that you just think you are saved and that is as far as it goes.Hey, I up to learn from this exchange as well as teach a little along the way. I know the teaching of the CoC is far different than other body of Jesus Christ teaching.I want to know what you know.

[USAFreedomReform]

@lllannallll "Jerusalem fell in AD70, and Spirit baptism fell with it"

WHERE IS THAT IN SCRIPTURE?

I'd really like to know.

[USAFreedomReform]

@lllannallll You are not in authority to tell me if I have the Holy Spirit or not.When you put youself in that place you are making yourself "a god" anf placing judgement on me. But I can tell what you are by the "FRUIT" you bear.