Scientific American on Multiverses
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Craig is very cavalier towards the potential existence of the multiverse. Consider the second premise of the Teleological Argument: "It (the fine tuning if the universe) is not due to physical necessity or chance." Even if the existence of the multiverse is what Ellis says is, "scientifically based philosophical speculation" it could very well exist. The second premise CANNOT be accepted as true until it is demonstrated that the multiverse cannot possibly exist.
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Multiverses will always be metaphysics, however, placing it in the scope of science is a bad move for atheism and an open door for theism, specially for the doctrine of Heaven and other extrauniversal realms (and it's inhabitants). This happened decades ago with the doctrine of an absolute beginning and Al-Ghazali's Kalam.
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@sameer137 I'm not sure that anyone is saying that life of any kind could not exist but only that we (humans) or life as we know it could not exist without the specific conditions given to our universe.
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@GospelHouseKat What really annoys me with flaming atheists is that they think by repeating something such as “there is no evidence” often enough and/or forcefully enough, while simultaneously ignoring the vast evidence of modern science, it will become true. One way to convince themselves that their views are correct is to only accept the arguments of people who agree with them…and to refuse to even respond to the arguments of people who disagree with you
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@tiagotrinidad Excuse me; I did, indeed, mean the ontological argument. Thank you for the correction. Given that distinction, would you agree? How is the possibility of God in that argument different from the possibility of the multiverse in this sense?
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@ResistDeception As far as I understand it, they're not the same.
They posit that if some physical law is possible then it must exist somewhere.
On the other hand, the argument from contingency states that if there is a possibility for the universe not to exist, i.e. it's contingent, then it must have some non-contingent cause.
Maybe you confused it with the ontological argument: God is not contingent. If God is possible to exist in any universe,then He must exist in all universe.
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Thanks for posting all of these videos!! They've had a profound impact on me!
How come I can't comment your profile? Trolls?
Anyway, I've become totally addicted to your channel :)
One critical thing I must point out in this one, though:
At 24:31 how is this not the same as the argument from contingency? After all, by that argument, if a multiverse is possible in 1 world, wouldn't it be possible in all worlds, and therefor true?
The contingency bit is the weakest link in Craig's chain-mail, IMO
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What I haven't been able to understand is that how do we know that the constants that determined the laws of nature in our Universe are the only ones that favor life? Isn't our definition of life/complexity too narrow minded to imagine that there might be different constants that allow life in a Universe which is nothing like our ideas of life?
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I think the only thing I can say is... PWND.
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GospelHouseKat 4 months ago 14
I really enjoy videos like this. Even though I am a naturalist/atheist I still love to hear critiques and skepticism toward many of our ideas especially ideas as facinating as the multiverse. Very challenging and thought provoking. Thanks for the video.
KT45 4 months ago 11