The Hell You Say

Can we even discuss the controversy about teaching hell to children? A reply to Stormtrek.

Stormtrek's Video, "jobot1: if God exists, if Hell a reasonable assumption":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4OcTO4rncI&feature=channel_page

Stormtrek's Response to my video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmIRSLY86U

Stormtrek's Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/StormTrek

Category:

Education

Tags:

• teach
• children
• hell
• atheist
• theist

[marmin42]

Hey leaf,

This is M - JP & S's longtime friend. You and I met at a couple gatherings circa 2000, shortly after you had taken a course with A.

Anyhow, JP put me onto your videos earlier this week. Highly entertaining! And having spent 2007 reading Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dennett and others, I have little to disagree with. Great fun, take care - M.

[LeafInTheStream]

"JP"? "S"? "A"? Ah, yes, "M" - the rooster crows at midnight, no?

I must get around to reading Dennett - so far I've just seen some of his lectures and debates here on YouTube.

Anyhow, glad you enjoyed the vids. I'll try to be more controversial in the future. Take care.

[optician01]

i wasnt even looking for anything to do with god when i found this! sometimes ill look up a funny phrase just to see what comes up on you tube, we were laughing about someone at work when"the hell you say" came up. and i did like your personality and sence of humor and decided to comment. i am not a fanatic christian, i am not perfect just forgiven, are you in canada now leaf? do you like the group RUSH? ive seen them about 4 or 5 times! i like them a little. im in florida

[LeafInTheStream]

Rush was extremely popular, at least among the guys, when I was in high school, and yes, I like them well enough. But I'm really more of a Beatles and Stones man, I must say.

[vessmore]

According to the bible God warned Adam that he should die, not that he should be tortured in all

eternity. If hell really exist I think God would have told people in the old Testament...

[TheIllegit]

The enormity of God's hypothetical work is not really a good argument against the possibility. Since, if God exists, he would exist in some state of either infinite time, or no time, making doing all the things you deem 'too large' moot. If he's not bound by the constraints of time it would hardly be difficult to do all the things you say 'all at once'.

[LeafInTheStream]

Crap! Of course I meant "blooper REEL." My first ever spelling mistake!

[livetv777]

you suck!

[optician01]

as for science.. again the scientists are human just like you and me and therefor cannot undestand god in his ways, in other words.. our brains only go so far... as even god said our thoughts are not his thoughts, we are not in a supernatural state as of yet but we will be when we leave our mortal brains behind. {die}

i do enjoy our debate.... peace

[optician01]

when we dont understand his ways, we must exersize faith, but this is where some people dont want to participate, dont want to put any effort into it.

[optician01]

you are very passionate abouit your sincere relationship with god in your past , could it be you left god because your simple mortal mind couldnt comprehend the awe and wonder of him, and could it be that god makes us all the same way because we are not ready to understand his perfect ways? because our souls are still here in the bodies he has placed us in, so that we may go through our lives free to chose, as you are even now?

[optician01]

thats a great answer... to bad its not what i asked.. focus like a laser beem this time... you say your faith was sincere, how do you know?? if you say faith is full of holes?... hmmm.

[rottenrobbie7]

Science and faith not mutually exclusive. Science can't prove or disprove god. I dont choose to shove him into the gaps of my understanding, I let evidence speak. If god made the cosmos then science will show his handiwork and point conclusively/observably to him. If not , findings won't support. So far a lack of evidence; god is not ruled out. Maybe well find something some day, I withhold faith until that time and leave the conjuring to more fertile imaginationsThx for the exchange, peace.

[rottenrobbie7]

If you want to understand those who emrace what science is teaching instead of faith you need to read more than just you bible and half baked apologetics. I once thought much the same as you. Based on what I knew then my take seemed rational. Truth was I hadn't read anything by scientists like Hawking, Sagan, Shubin, Einstein and Collins(Christian and lead scientist for the human genome project), wasn't interested. I've read the bible more times than I care to recall...